Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:56:51 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman@cablespeed.com> Received: from [216.15.205.68] (HELO admin.cablespeed.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c1) with ESMTP id 742972 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:17:33 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.15.205.68; envelope-from=2thman@cablespeed.com Received: from [66.235.29.160] (account 2thman@cablespeed.com HELO JohnHome) by admin.cablespeed.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 105684818 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:16:48 -0600 From: "John Barrett" <2thman@cablespeed.com> X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: FW: [LML] Loose control surface hinges and vibration X-Original-Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:16:47 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0165_01C514C9.06554240" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2742.200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0165_01C514C9.06554240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Grayhawk, Thanks for the response - my answers in the body of your text: 1. I started building my Lancair alone, in my garage, before anybody invented anything - including Car-binge and the internet as we know it today. Me too! That's why I developed and now sell Carbinge graphite hinges. BTW, Carbinge is a non-hyphenated word as is carbon. 2. I like shiny metal things - I polished my hinges with a home brew compound before I knew about commercial rouges. You can't polish Car-bon. I like shiny things too. Carbinge has a very nice shiny surface that you don't need to polish. Also it takes paint (shiny also) better than aluminum. I can't comment on your affinity for metal, except to say that I chose a Lancair over metal airplanes because I prefer to save weight in my craft and I want to minimize the use of materials that corrode, weaken under stress and wear out before the airplane does. 3. The electrical interaction betwixt SS, steel and aluminum is benign here in the salt-air free midwest. Car-bon and steel/SS? You can't glue both halves of the hinge on - Something gets screwed. The steel pin in Carbinge graphite hinges does not contact graphite. There is a nylon bushing so that never the twain shall meet. I suspect you wouldn't glue either half of an aluminum hinge on, but actually with a bit of creativity in designing removable pins, both halves of Carbinge CAN be glued. They can also be screwed on additionally, or instead - builder's choice. This is a shameless defensive response. No criticism was intended in my comments, so I'm sorry you feel defensive. I merely want to provide for LML subscribers information about an alternative that may be better for them. I applaud your creativity in fixing the ongoing difficulties you have with your hinges. 9 years of service is a long time for a Lancair product and I know you have lots of miles under your belt. I don't think there's anything to criticize about the amount of attention you've had to give to your hinges or the way you've solved the problems. However, there are other solutions now and we are all served by having knowledge of and an understanding of them. Regards, John Barrett Barrett/Garrett Enterprises, Inc. PO Box 428 Pt. Hadlock, WA 98339 www.carbinge.com ------=_NextPart_000_0165_01C514C9.06554240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Grayhawk,

Thanks for the response = - my=20 answers in the body of your text:

1. I started building my Lancair alone, in my garage, = before=20 anybody invented anything - including Car-binge and the internet = as we=20 know it today.

Me too! That's why I = developed=20 and now sell Carbinge graphite hinges. BTW, Carbinge is a = non-hyphenated=20 word as is carbon.

2. I like shiny metal things - I polished my hinges with a = home=20 brew compound before I knew about commercial rouges. You can't = polish=20 Car-bon.

I like shiny things = too. =20 Carbinge has a very nice shiny surface that you don't need to = polish. =20 Also it takes paint (shiny also) better than aluminum. I can't = comment=20 on your affinity for metal, except to say that I chose a Lancair over = metal=20 airplanes because I prefer to save weight in my craft and I want to = minimize=20 the use of materials that corrode, weaken under stress and wear out = before the=20 airplane does.

3. The electrical interaction betwixt SS, steel and = aluminum is=20 benign here in the salt-air free midwest. Car-bon and steel/SS? = You=20 can't glue both halves of the hinge on - Something gets screwed.

The steel pin in = Carbinge=20 graphite hinges does not contact graphite. There is a nylon=20 bushing so that never the twain shall meet. I suspect=20 you wouldn't glue either half of an aluminum hinge on, but = actually with=20 a bit of creativity in designing removable pins, both halves of = Carbinge CAN=20 be glued. They can also be screwed on additionally, or = instead =20 - builder's choice.

This is a shameless defensive response.

No criticism was intended in = my=20 comments, so I'm sorry you feel defensive. I merely want = to provide=20 for LML subscribers information about an alternative that may be = better=20 for them. I applaud your creativity in fixing the ongoing = difficulties=20 you have with your hinges. 9 years of service is a long time for = a=20 Lancair product and I know you have lots of miles under your = belt. I=20 don't think there's anything to criticize about the amount of = attention you've=20 had to give to your hinges or the way you've solved the=20 problems.  However, there are other solutions now and we are = all=20 served by having knowledge of and an understanding of=20 them.

Regards,
John Barrett
Barrett/Garrett = Enterprises,=20 Inc.
PO Box 428
Pt. Hadlock, WA 98339
www.carbinge.com=20

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