Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:49:40 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta13.adelphia.net ([68.168.78.44] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP id 625214 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:43:09 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.168.78.44; envelope-from=dfs155@adelphia.net Received: from f3g6s4 ([67.22.49.202]) by mta13.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with SMTP id <20050127204237.KEH23834.mta13.adelphia.net@f3g6s4> for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:42:37 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <009b01c504b0$972ea960$ca311643@losaca.adelphia.net> From: "Dan Schaefer" X-Original-To: "Lancair list" Subject: [LML] Antenna bonding / Radio noise X-Original-Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:41:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 John Schroeder wrote: <<>> John, as long as the entire trim system has a dedicated return to the central ground, it's unlikely to be much of a problem. Other things that may not be a problem with grouped returns are circuits that draw current on a steady-state basis such as indicator lights. Often these can be brought together and returned to the central ground on a single wire. What you need to avoid (by using the "Holy Point" grounding) is creating a situation where two or more systems are using the same piece of wire for their ground return. Even though we think of a length of wire as essentially resistance-free, it just isn't so - even good copper wire has some resistance. It's measured in ohms/ft for a given gauge, and though very small (often found in a wire handbook stated in ohms/kfeet to give a number without a lot of leading zeros) it is finite, and like any resistor, will develop a voltage across it's length in accordance with Ohm's Law. For some numbers: AWG 20 copper wire, at 77 deg. F has 10.4 ohms/kft. A 10 ft run of this gauge will have a resistance of ~0.1 ohm. If this wire is used to return, say 2 amps it will develop about 0.2 volts - which could be sufficient to upset something else sharing the same return. Summing up: As a result of the resistance, ground return currents from one system will produce small but measurable voltage drops across the wire (proportional to the current and inversely proportional to the wire size) that can and may produce unexpected effects on other systems simultaneously sharing the same return wire. Some electronic systems can be quite sensitive to such voltages. Also it must be remembered that ground returns very often carry fluctuating currents developed in active circuits within a system as well as "noise" currents from shields and etc., which are often the culprits in inter-system interference. Didn't mean for this to become a treatise on Holy Point grounds but there it is, FWIW. Dan Schaefer