Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:14:41 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-relay-1.tiscali.it ([213.205.33.41] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP id 623040 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:49:00 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=213.205.33.41; envelope-from=robert.overmars@tiscali.it Received: from trottolino (62.11.1.95) by mail-relay-1.tiscali.it (7.1.021.3) id 41F4DCFD00082433 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:48:27 +0100 X-Original-Message-ID: <00b301c503bf$9c679c80$5f010b3e@interbusiness.it> From: "Robert Overmars" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: Fw: [LML] Lancair Stalls X-Original-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:56:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 > Posted for "Bill Kennedy" : > > I don't think our stall/spin accidents are happening to people practicing > stalls, they are inadvertent and obviously happening to folks who don't know > how to recover from them. It won't be me. > > Bill Kennedy Bill, I don't think that's true to say. Dave Allen test flying an ES was very definitely flying a stall series and upon pushing forward stick to recover from what he called a deeper stall the aeroplane rolled uncommanded. LIVP VH-CIV, a new aeroplane in flight test, was being flown through a stall series by a highly experienced pilot in command. The new owner of LIVP lost in Novalato Mexico was receiving qualification training from an American CFI, witnesses reported stall/spin. The LIVPT lost in Mesa AZ was on it's third test flight, it's not inconsistent that for this aircraft and the LIV lost in Novalato that the pilots were engaged in stall series. Especially considering that to enter spin the aircraft must first be stalled. Take care... Roberto d'Italia