Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:17:20 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from smtp.mailix.net ([216.148.213.132] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP-TLS id 576081 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:24:47 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.148.213.132; envelope-from=joe.t@trepicone.com Received: from [24.145.133.204] (helo=jenny) by smtp.mailix.net with asmtp (Exim 4.24-BE) id 1CgvEb-0000q2-8u for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 17:24:13 -0800 From: "Joseph Trepicone" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Original-Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:24:13 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <000001c4e7c4$f286bfe0$cc859118@jenny> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: joe.t@trepicone.com Subject: pressure tank (air/fuel separator) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on southcarolina.backend X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: * X-SA-Exim-Version: 3.1 (built Thu Oct 23 13:26:47 PDT 2003) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes X-uvscan-result: clean (1CgvEb-0000q2-8u) Hi Group, After several months of study, and input from many people much more knowledgeable than I, we've decided to make some modifications to the Lancair 35 gallon tank fuel system. First let me say that I / we are not suggesting that the system, as it is currently designed by Lancair, is anything less than adequate. The modifications we've made are intended to give a little additional insurance that air will not find its way into the engine. It's been said that the only time you have too much fuel on board an aircraft is when you're on fire... I'd add to a much lesser degree "when the fuel is unusable". We feel the issues dealing with picking up fuel in a relatively flat bottom, long, centerline fuel tank are unique. (There is an unconfirmed story of a turbine Legend - NOT a Lancair - that ran out of fuel a few months ago with 30 gallons of fuel in its belly tank. Maybe someone has additional information on this.) Slosh bays, slosh bay doors, low-fuel aircraft maneuvering limitations certainly all will help but it comes down to a couple issues: How much fuel can we consider as useable? How much fuel can we consider our reserve and will that reserve be there if and when we need it? Or will air some how find its way into the fuel system and, in the case of a turbine, cause a flame out? The approach we took is this: The fuel pick-up tube WILL eventually suck some air. It's inevitable. At some point, some attitude, some flight condition, some fuel level, at some moment in time, an air bubble will find its way into the fuel pick up tube and into the fuel system. How can we increase our chances that the engine will not flame out? We're proposing this: We are adding a +/- 3.5 gallon, pressurized aluminum fuel header tank, to the system. We are relocating the continuous duty, electric fuel pump currently supplied by Lancair to a location between the fuel tank (where fuel is being picked up) and this pressure tank so the fuel is pumped (pushed) through the pressure tank at about 32 psi to create what is essentially a fuel/air separator. The pressure tank is vented at the very top, and can be equipped with an optical fuel sensor or fuel probe. Fuel is picked up at the very bottom. If the continuous use electric pump fails it fails in the open position and the system allows the engine driven pump to continue supplying fuel to the engine giving time to land - just like it does in the previous design. Explaining the system further is beyond the scope of this post. I've had the tank engineered by a company that specializes in pressure tanks and it's designed to withstand 4 times the maximum pressure possible. We received delivery of the first three tanks today and of course until one of us is flying the system is unproven. At 6 pounds the weight of the tank and fittings is a little heavier than I would have liked however I'm told fuel system components should be designed to 4 times the maximum pressure possible. I have no desire to market, sell or profit from the tank or the system. My motivation was to get one for myself. Chris Skoppe of Turbine Solutions Group will be selling the system as a kit. For more information please contact me directly. Thanks to all the people who helped design the system. Several of you are members of this group. Regards and Happy Holidays to all, Joe Trepicone