Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:11:50 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta-out-1.udlp.com ([207.109.1.8] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP id 476201 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:03:45 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.109.1.8; envelope-from=Christopher.Zavatson@udlp.com Received: from asdmngwia.mpls.udlp.com (asdmngwia.mpls.udlp.com [10.1.62.22]) by mta-out-1.udlp.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i9HGBDGu001823 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:11:13 -0500 Received: from DM-MN-06-MTA by asdmngwia.mpls.udlp.com with Novell_GroupWise; Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:02:46 -0500 X-Original-Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 X-Original-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:02:28 -0500 From: "Christopher Zavatson" X-Original-To: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Keeping Ada Cooling Cool Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Guinevere: 2.0.15 ; United Defense LP To plenum or not to plenum, that seems to be the question lately. I wanted to add a few comments to the mix. Merely having a plenum says nothing about how well an engine is being cooled. The plenum itself is only a small piece in a much larger picture. You need to consider the inlet, the transition to the plenum chamber, the detailed baffling around the cylinders and finally the exit. Mess up any of these components and a plenum isn't going to save you. The Ada cooling seminar focused on the detail baffling around the cylinders. It was amazing to find out that certified installations, such as the Bonanza, had so many fundamental flaws. Unfortunately the IV's and ES's adopted many of the same shortcomings. Those issues cannot be fixed with plenums. It doesn't matter if you have unlimited air at your disposal, if you don't get it through the cooling fins correctly. To take the next step and go beyond the engine baffle improvements, in particular for the Bonanza, would be an enormous undertaking given both the geometry of the installation and the FAA. In the experimental world however, I feel there is much more potential for improvement. Not all plenum installations are successful. To make generalizations about their effectiveness based on poorly executed examples is meaningless. I have come across plenum installations that span the spectrum of CHTs, from having the lowest to the absolute highest CHTs I have ever heard of, on any engine. -So then why the difference. All the parts in the chain from inlet to exit have to be right. As I said earlier, merely having a plenum says nothing about how well an engine is being cooled. When I went about designing my system, 99% of the effort was devoted to the inlets and the transition to the plenum. The primary reason behind using a rigid plenum was simply due to the ease of sealing the "plenum" chamber above the engine to the inlets. The rigid plenum also offers the opportunity to get a guaranteed seal around the perimeter of the "plenum" chamber. The original inlets suffered from the effects of a rapid expansion into the upper plenum chamber around a most of the inlet circumference. This generated all kinds of turbulence, which translates into wasted energy. You have to pay for this energy somewhere. It will cost you in terms of higher temperatures or reduced airspeed. So what can cleaning up the inlets buy you? All I can report on is the before and after for my installation. The Ada trip was my first opportunity to check higher altitudes. It turns out the benefit improves the higher I fly. Down low the highest CHTs have dropped 30 deg F, but up at 17,500 the difference was 42 deg F. Bear in mind that this is with smaller inlets, reduced exit area, and higher EGTs over the original installation. I have made no changes to the cylinder baffling as of yet. If some of the Ada mods can be employed these numbers may get even better. The decreased inlet and exit areas provided another welcome side effect: an increase in airspeed. In an indirect way, you could say that improving cooling efficiency has increased airspeed. The RV George mentioned obviously has issues. But remember, merely having a plenum says nothing about how well an engine is being cooled. It was certainly poorly designed if it takes two man-hours to remove the plenum. Mine comes off in less time than it takes be to remove the cowl. It's all in the design. In terms of bang for the buck, over the years I had made many small changes that netted some improvement. The new cowl was a big a change, but hit the jackpot in terms of cooling. Making all the molds for these parts, and especially, the cowl was a lot work, but I would certainly do it again. In fact, if I had known the magnitude of the resulting improvement, I wouldn't have waited six years to get started. I would encourage everyone to keep an open mind and not evaluate the merits of a concept based on examples where that concept was poorly executed. Chris Zavatson N91CZ, running cooler than ever 360 std Christopher Zavatson Mobility Technologies United Defense (408)289-4329