Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 22:12:03 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta13.adelphia.net ([68.168.78.44] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.4) with ESMTP id 452781 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 22:06:25 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.168.78.44; envelope-from=dfs155@adelphia.net Received: from f3g6s4 ([67.22.49.202]) by mta13.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with SMTP id <20041005020555.GOGV15118.mta13.adelphia.net@f3g6s4> for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 22:05:55 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <005801c4aa80$1b8bd060$ca311643@losaca.adelphia.net> From: "Dan Schaefer" X-Original-To: "Lancair list" Subject: Re: Bond prepping, acetone, paint color, stub wing skin peel. X-Original-Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 19:07:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Scott Krueger wrote: <>. Scott, if you built around the time I did (started in '86, flew in '93), the 3-M structural adhesive du jour was #3316. At that time, 3316 was the adhesive of choice by Lancair for bonding together the fuselage halves, belly pan, wing skins to spars and ribs and the fuel bay close-outs (bottom wing skins). As far as I'm concerned, it's a super adhesive - coupon tests confirm that - and even today, on my 235, has not become glass-hard (and brittle?) like some epoxies we used for wet lay-ups (at that time the plans called for Saf-T-poxy). On my 235, I can still find a spot where I can access a 3316 bond squeeze-out and can still make a slight dent in it with a fingernail if I push long and hard enough. In this case, I believe tough is better than hard. N235SP is also a pre-capstrip construction airplane though it seems like such an obvious thing to do I'm sorry I didn't think of it at the time. As for bond preparation, builders of that era were advised to use only a commercial pre-paint cleaner-degreaser called Klix 88. Apparently, Klix 88 is (was? - don't know if it's still available) a powerful oil and wax type of solvent but not very quick to evaporate giving one plenty of time to blot it up before it re-deposited the gunk it had dissolved all over the area you were trying to clean. In my opinion, acetone is less desireable from this angle because it evaporates so quickly. Yes, acetone will dissolve the bad stuff quite readily, but when it evaporates it will leave whatever it has dissolved behind - spread evenly over the area you're trying to clean. Back in those days, I often flew up to where the Rutan works were located to listen to their "seminars" (Burt gave some rather informal talks and demonstrations on working with wet epoxy lay-ups back then) and learned that the best paper towels for prep was the cheapest, plain white, un-printed, non brand-name ones as they were far less likely to have any unwanted gunk in them. Cheers, Dan Schaefer