Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:26:36 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [198.107.46.36] (HELO edt.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.4) with ESMTP id 452026 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:03:29 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=198.107.46.36; envelope-from=dave@edt.com Received: from COLORADO (colorado [198.107.47.220]) by edt.com (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id i94F2DbO008515 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:02:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Message-ID: <005601c4aa23$2efc4b00$dc2f6bc6@COLORADO> From: "David Lowry" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Ada cooling X-Original-Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 08:02:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 All, I will give a brief summary of the cooling seminar: 1) "The Devil is in the details." 2) Basically you need to get cooling air to every cooling fin on your cylinders. a) The Lancair baffling leaves the bottom fins uncovered on the front of the two front cylinders and the back of the back two. b) These cooling ducts should be completely boxed (like the Lancair baffles for the inter cylinder baffles. c) The hole cut behind the alternator will do better with an awning to divert more air. 3) Exhaust components in the turbo get hot. The cylinders above those components will get hot from this radiated heat. Stainless steel shields can be used to protect this. George et al used parts from a turbo Cessna twin. 4) The intercoolers in the back steal air from the cylinders in the back. George built an airdam between the intercooler and the cylinder that goes all the way up to and seals to the top cowl. This increases the pressure on the back cylinder. 5) Don't get anal about every little hole and crack such that maintenance is difficult or impossible. For example, cut way back on the RTV. 6) The Cirrus SR22 addresses all these issues but 2c. Other info: Prism: 1) George has quit predicting when it will be done. They will make available as experimental before the certified version but want the exp and cert versions to be the same. 2) The current version will not fit a top draft TCM. They will have a version that will. 3) It looks much simpler than a TCM FADEC. 4) It will use special (expensive) top plugs with pressure sensors in them. 5) Millennium will make cylinders with pressure sensor holes so regular plugs can be used. 6) Cost will be competitive with TCM FADEC. Plenum: George does not think they add much and the maintenance and inspection issues. If you do make a plenum make it as large as possible. Other projects: They have a lot of projects going on including building and shipping of existing products, saving the bonanza world, etc. "The devil is in the details" Thanks to George, Walter and all for great information. I have some pictures. If others don't show up I will post in a day or so. David Lowry