Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:41:06 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail.vineyard.net ([204.17.195.90] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b4) with ESMTP id 123184 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:14:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by mail.vineyard.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25069F053 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.vineyard.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (king1.vineyard.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 67654-01 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from direct (unknown [66.101.65.1]) by mail.vineyard.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B3F59F050 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:08:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-Message-ID: <003e01c449e1$2920c820$02416542@direct> From: "Ted Stanley" X-Original-To: "Mail List Lancair" Subject: re: Unsafe in any plane X-Original-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:07:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS at Vineyard.NET I read Brent Regan's colorful post and was tickled to find someone else who is moved to apply complex language skills to make a point. I loved the one about the chicken and the soufflé. In all it reminds me of an OUTSTANDING "bumper sticker" I saw many years ago affixed to a washroom mirror at the TCM factory in Mobile, AL while I was attending their week long maintenance training course. It said "You are looking at the person responsible for YOUR safety" ...... believe it. On a separate note, the question was asked "What can be done to improve the safety of the IV?" One thing, albeit a very expensive proposition, might be to apply the same level of aerodynamic sophistication to the IV wing as was given to the Legacy. Some years ago I flew both aircraft on the same day and found the Legacy to be significantly better "behaved" in the slow speed regime. And on the other end of the economic scale, I have to agree with Charlie Kohler, install stall strips. There are so many factors that cause our aircraft (and all others for that matter) to fall out of the sky: lack of pilot skill, poor construction, poor maintenance, alternative design features, etc. etc. One thing is most basic however, weight and balance. As I've explained to pilots on occasion .... Do you know what additional rating you get when you fly an aircraft outside of its design limitations ? "TEST PILOT" For those searching the NTSB data base, if I remember correctly, don't search under "experimental" aircraft. The NTSB lists them as "amateur built", and it is indeed the "amateur" portion which in itself is something to ponder. This is not to suggest that all amateurs are less capable than professionals, however the design and construction modalities inherent in certificated aircraft production are all but non-existent in amateur build aircraft. Ted Stanley - A&P/IA - ATP - Aviation Safety Counselor