Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 10:09:19 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.38] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b4) with ESMTP id 121914 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 08:23:07 -0400 Received: from N295VV@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r2.6.) id q.1ec.2206c967 (3850) for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:22:35 -0400 (EDT) From: N295VV@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <1ec.2206c967.2df0720a@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:22:34 EDT Subject: Re: Unsafe at any speed X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1086265354" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5025 -------------------------------1086265354 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re: Unsafe at any speed, I agree with Joe Rodriques--it are the pilots, not the plane. The early crashes in the history of this design predicted this rash of events, and unfortunately many crashes were brought on by pilots with advanced ratings doing stupid things. I can just imagine their next thoughts after mouthing the proverbial "sh*t" : Damn, ran out of gas again! Damn, shouldn't have loaded all that luggage behind the four 300 lb passengers! Damn, I was only off the centerline by 5 degrees! Damn, the factory was right--using aluminum fittings on the turbos will cause a fire! Damn, landing at 75 knots wasn't fast enough! Damn, I made it through the first accelerated stall-what happened this time! Damn, where did that level 5 storm come from? Damn, should have done some more hood work! Damn, that turf strip was a little rough! Damn, that strip was a little short! Damn, shouldn't have loaded my family on the plane so soon! Damn, should have taken more training from someone before my first flight! (The passenger next to him was probably wondering if being inverted was part of the test procedure) I agree with the statement that most pilots are behind the envelope-this is not limited to the IV series, however, the problem is accentuated by the demands of the plane. I also agree with the statement that insurability of the plane is history. Plan on flying uninsured--at least more pilots then will not want to carry passengers because of liability--and fewer passengers will be killed. The solution? The solution is training. The factory needs to address this. Don't jump into your first solo without 5, or preferably 10 hours of dual with another IV instructor. Get recurrent on a regular basis. Don't mess with experimental stalls. Keep the luggage out of the plane-Fed Ex it ahead if you are going to carry two passengers. Don't fly near bad weather, period. When the gas guage gets to quarter tanks, land and refill--your wife needs to take a leak anyway. Keep your landing speed up at 100 kts--the factory told you to do this for a reason! David Jones -------------------------------1086265354 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Re: Unsafe at any speed, I agree with Joe Rodriques--it are the pilots,= not the plane.  The early crashes in the history of this design predic= ted this rash of events, and unfortunately many crashes were brought on by p= ilots with advanced ratings doing stupid things.
 
I can just imagine their next thoughts after mouthing the proverbial "s= h*t" :
 
Damn, ran out of gas again!
 
Damn, shouldn't have loaded all that luggage behind the four 300 lb pas= sengers!
 
Damn, I was only off the centerline by 5 degrees!
 
Damn, the factory was right--using aluminum fittings on the turbos will= cause a fire!
 
Damn, landing at 75 knots wasn't fast enough!
 
Damn, I made it through the first accelerated stall-what happened this=20= time!
 
Damn, where did that level 5 storm come from?
 
Damn, should have done some more hood work!
 
Damn, that turf strip was a little rough!
 
Damn, that  strip was a little short!
 
Damn, shouldn't have loaded my family on the plane so soon!
 
Damn, should have taken more training from someone before my first flig= ht!     (The passenger next to him was probably wonderin= g if being inverted was part of the test procedure)
 
 
I agree with the statement that most pilots are behind the envelope-thi= s is not limited to the IV series, however, the problem is accentuated by th= e demands of the plane.
 
I also agree with the statement that insurability of the plane is histo= ry.  Plan on flying uninsured--at least more pilots then will not want=20= to carry passengers because of liability--and fewer passengers will be kille= d.
 
The solution?  The solution is training.  The factory needs t= o address this.  Don't jump into your first solo without 5, or preferab= ly 10 hours of dual with another IV instructor.  Get recurrent on a reg= ular basis.  Don't mess with experimental stalls.  Keep the luggag= e out of the plane-Fed Ex it ahead if you are going to carry two passengers.=   Don't fly near bad weather, period.  When the gas guage gets to=20= quarter tanks, land and refill--your wife needs to take a leak anyway. = Keep your landing speed up at 100 kts--the factory told you to do this for=20= a reason!
 
David Jones
 
 
 
 
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