Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.1) with ESMTP id 999817 for rob@logan.com; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:38:20 -0500 Received: from pop007pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.234]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:04:44 -0500 Received: from GCasey (calnet31-66.gtecablemodem.com [207.175.254.66]) by pop007pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id fBUE5UdM022062 Sun, 30 Dec 2001 08:05:45 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com From: "Gary Casey" To: Subject: Direct-drive engines Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 06:04:00 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20011230052813.AAA27528@pop3.olsusa.com> X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>....Assume you're using a real (as opposed to mythological) prop with sufficient diameter to absorb 325 HP (for the sake of conversation and the benefit of the doubt, say 84"). On a standard day, at sea level, climbing at 100 KTAS, 2700 Prop RPM gives a tip speed of 0.90 mach (well beyond the high efficiency range of contemporary "real" props), with the tip-mach climbing right along with the aircraft. At 225 KTAS, the prop (at 2700 RPM on a standard day) has a tip speed of 0.95 mach at sea level and 0.99 mach at 10000 ft. (and worse on a colder than standard day). If you've got a prop that makes 85% efficiency at 0.9 tip mach, I WANT ONE TOO. Now, lets assume you really do have some magic prop which will work at 0.95 tip-mach, making 2700 RPM really usable. At 2700 RPM, you'll need 632 lb-ft of torque to make your claimed 325 HP (At 2400 RPM, a more realistic upper limit, you'll need 711 lb-ft of torque for 325 HP.).... Jack Kane EPI, Inc.<< I just left part of the comments above so one can get Jack's drift - I agree with the comments. The difference is that I expect to use a 74 to 77-inch prop, reducing the tip speeds about 10% from the above numbers, putting them right in the range of "conventional wisdom." I would like to run the engine at 2800 rpm, the highest rated speed published by MT (they don't seem to be willing to budge from the 2800 rpm limit). The result would be poorer low-speed efficiency compared to the larger, lower rpm combination. Runway requirement will be longer. As to BMEP, yes, the engine will be turbocharged, and no, I don't expect to get the same engine life as a naturally-aspirated aircraft engine - but maybe equivalent or better than the 350 hp TSIO-550. To start I expect 500 hours between valve-jobs/head gasket replacement and 1,000 hours TBO. That is probably half what could be achieved with more development. With a compression ratio of 8.5 to 9 I expect that the peak cylinder pressures will be only 10% higher than in an automotive application. In my "dreamland" I hope to run a full-power manifold pressure of 40 inches, but in real life I expect 45. At cruise power the engine mechanical and thermal loading will be about the same as your average truck engine at 60mph so I expect no reliability issues, even without high-tech components. Overall, the reliability running at 31 inches/2700 rpm compared to 25 inches/ 3500 rpm should be much better. There are lots of design comparisons to be made between typical aircraft and typical automotive engines - I think my approach makes them roughly equivalent. Gary Casey ES project >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://members.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please remember that purchases from the Builders' Bookstore assist with the management of the LML. Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>