Return-Path: Received: from [24.50.193.42] (account marv@lancaironline.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.1.5) with HTTP id 2625191 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 05 Oct 2003 17:50:19 -0400 From: "Marvin Kaye" Subject: Re: Oil Cooling (It's a Delta P Problem!) To: lml X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.1.5 Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 17:50:19 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Posted for "Neal Garvin" : We had the same problem with our Glasair oil temps hitting 245 on climb out. The cooler was getting air off the back of Cyl #3 with a 3" scat tube. The cooler was mounted on the side of the cowling with the cooler exit air dumping into a hood and then through scat tube to a 4" x 4" louvers on the bottom of the cowling. This didn't work at all. Just by removing this exit hood and scat from the exit side of the oil cooler, and letting it dump into the lower cowling reduced oil temps significantly. We then added reverse scoops to the bottom cowling louvers to get more air out of the lower cowling area. This reduced the temps even more (both oil and cyl temps). During all of our testing and trial & error modifications, we found the most significant improvement came from adding small reverse scoops over the front of the louvers on the bottom of the cowling. These added some venturi effect to suck air out of the lower cowling area. Since the oil cooler air was dumping directly into the lower cowling area, the oil temps instantly went down 25 degrees. This proved that we had a problem with airflow THROUGH the cooler which was caused by excessive backpressure on the cooler, not inadequate supply air. I'm not sure what your cooler mounting looks like, but the heated oil cooler air should exit directly to a low pressure area and if there is any type of hood arrangement on the backside of the cooler, it should be very large. The air going through the cooler is heated and it expands. The exit area of the cooler shroud/hood would need to be at least 50% larger than the intake area. I'll bet your "escape box" is much to small and is causing all of your oil temp problems. One way to test this: make up a fiberglass or aluminum small reverse scoop that sticks out about 1" and covers over the front 1/3 of your louver gills on the outside of the cowling. You can use lots of package tape to hold it in place. This will reduce the pressure in your "escape box" and should get more air flow through the cooler. Go for a test flight and the oil temps will be lower. How you permanently fix the problem will probably require removing or redesigning your "escape box". We chose to not use the reverse scoops because of the increased drag and ended up using a larger oil cooler mounted directly to the side of the cowling for direct air exit through a louver. In all my travels and meetings with many other experimental builders, I have yet to see a problem with pulling air off the back of the baffling to feed an oil cooler. We now have a 4" scat coming off the baffling behind #3 cyl and we have no problems with cyl head temps. Don't waste your time with another naca scoop for oil cooler air. There is plenty of air going in the front of the cowling. It is also incorrect to assume that the air that pass over the tops of the cylinders is being heated before it goes to the oil cooler. It may see a degree or two increase, but that's probably it. Air going into the cowling anywhere near the cylinders is going down between the cylinders and fins. It can't back up and then go to the oil cooler. The only mixing of any slightly heated air is minimal. Put on a reverse scoop and see what happens. Good luck. FYI, Burt Rutan did an article about oil cooling problems he had many years ago with the original EZs and adding a reverse scoop under the oil cooler exit solved the problem. -Neal Garvin Glasair SIIS-RG IO360 20 HP