Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2003 12:45:25 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta4.adelphia.net ([68.168.78.184] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.5) with ESMTP id 2623960 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:56:26 -0400 Received: from worldwinds ([68.169.130.92]) by mta4.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.32 201-253-122-126-132-20030307) with SMTP id <20031004135628.GHN27274.mta4.adelphia.net@worldwinds> for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 09:56:28 -0400 From: "Gary Casey" X-Original-To: "lancair list" Subject: Re: Elevator Balance X-Original-Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 06:55:01 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 <> Lots of good comments on this subject, but I am puzzled about one thing - the distribution of the moment balance weights. I would think that the destruction of the horizontal tail structure caused by flutter is a combination of bending and twisting of the horizontal stabilizer induced by vertical excitation at the hinge point. If that is true the center hinge really doesn't count as it is fixed in place. Therefore, the only elevator moment that needs to be balanced is out toward the tip. However, the "correct" methodology is to install enough lead to balance the WHOLE elevator and to concentrate it at the tip. Seems to me that the tip is being way overbalanced and the root underbalanced. That thinking would lead one to reduce the balance weights at the tip drastically as most of the unbalanced weight of the elevator is at the root, more on one side than the other because of the trim tab. Then if it was desired to really balance the total weight a bob-weight should be located inside the tail. Then when I look at certificated aircraft it still doesn't make sense. Cessna usually puts all the elevator balance weights at the tip, but the aileron balance weights are toward the root near the actuator. The Cardinal and Cherokees have all the balance weight for their stabilators at the root. On the Comanche an extra balance weight can be added at the tip to get a higher red-line speed. And on and on. What I get from all this is that no one seems to worry about the torsional stiffness of the control surface itself, but when I look at the elevator on the ES there is a definite lack of stiffness right at the junction between the balance weight extension and the rest of the elevator. Also, our ailerons, while the weights are "correctly" distributed along the span seem to have a mount for the weights that doesn't consider stiffness at all and I have heard of these weights coming loose, probably because of a stiffness issue. I hope I'm worrying about all this for nothing. Gary Casey ES #157