Return-Path: Received: from [65.173.216.66] (account marv@lancaironline.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.1.5) with HTTP id 2622951 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 03 Oct 2003 12:47:56 -0400 From: "Marvin Kaye" Subject: Re: Elevator Balance To: lml X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.1.5 Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 12:47:56 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <006d01c389c5$25c49a30$6603a7c0@gamarrdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Posted for "Giffen A. Marr" : Guy's You need to remember that the reason the center of gravity of the control surface must be ahead of the hinge line is to ensure that you have positive margin and have eliminated the potential for flutter. If you remember my example about a trailer center of gravity being behind the wheels will provide you a lesson you will only want to experience once and will never forget. The same applies to control surfaces, if you survive. Including in the rest of the control system could lead to not obtaining the proper control surface balance. Balance the control surface by it's self. With the rest of the system attached it could mask the correct balance of the surface. If my memory has not failed me yet, the air acts like a spring to excite the surface, as your speed goes up, the spring [air] gets stiffer [higher frequency]. As long as the balance is ahead of the hinge line, there is natural damping [no excitation], if it is at or behind the hinge line, it's catastrophic. If any of you have flown a tail dragger, the same principle applies [the cg is aft of the wheels (hinge line)] that causes a ground loop [poor pilot damping]. Giff Marr LIV-P/20B