Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:03:32 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-r01.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.97] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.4) with ESMTP id 2609243 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:57:41 -0400 Received: from RWolf99@aol.com by imo-r01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id q.14f.246a96fa (3850) for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:54:47 -0400 (EDT) From: RWolf99@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <14f.246a96fa.2cab0146@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 11:54:46 EDT Subject: Matco Brake Parts X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 I just got off the phone with George Happ of Matco. A very helpful and personable man who, along with his charming wife, I have spoken to at Oshkosh concerning the brakes on my Lancair 360. FYI -- I picked up "Super Fast Build Kit No. 350" in February 1994. Many things may have changed since then. The standard 320/360 brake uses the "D5" disc. This has apparently been made in three versions -- aluminum, steel, and a new version which is also steel. The new ones have the letters "D5" plainly stamped on them in letters at least 1/8 inch high. On the face, not on the edge. You can't miss it. The aluminum ones should be replaced immediately. George didn't actually say that -- he said that "they are bad in every way and have a brittle failure mode". I believe this is what Ric Argente and Paul Nafziger have experienced, with chunks flying out of their discs and the possibility of sudden wheel locking when the edge of the missing segment hangs up on the brake pad. Ouch! It would be interesting for them to verify that these were not steel. (Anyone got a magnet?) The steel ones that are gold colored have some free graphite in them, and it is possible to have a gradual loss of braking effectiveness with those discs. George says this can be cured by having them plated with electroless nickel to a thickness of 0.001-0.002 inches. There is apparently no risk of brake disc fragmentation and these are quite usable after plating. I have these discs. The third version, which is the version currently shipping, has "D5" stamped in them and are the ones to use. I have ordered a pair of these (about $60 each) and will be installing them this weekend. Eventually I will have my old ones nickel plated -- George says they will look really cool, so why not? On another issue, I have long planned on replacing the plated steel sliders (the spacers that go over the bolts) with stainless. Fortunately, Matco has these available for $5 each, so I don't have to go buy a piece of tubing and find a lathe. I bought a set of eight in 2002 and will be installing those this weekend, too. On a final issue, many have changed pad materials to Cleveland parts. George is aware of this and Matco developed an improved pad material a few years ago that they claim is even better than the Cleveland parts. I bought a set of these -- the deal is that once you do, you can send your worn out pads to Matco and they will install new linings for free (you pay for the linings but not the installation). I think I'll be sending my old linings to them now for replacing with the new material. So in summary, I'm replacing the disc, the spacers and the linings before first flight. I guess I'm retaining the caliper but not much else... - Rob Wolf LNC2 70%