Return-Path: Received: from [65.33.87.58] (account marv@lancaironline.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.1.4) with HTTP id 2609116 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:43:10 -0400 From: "Marvin Kaye" Subject: Re: [LML] Just a couple of tiny little knots... To: lml X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.1.4 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:43:10 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <005401c38753$df1a8b80$0300a8c0@erics1200mhz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Posted for "Eric M. Jones" : Scott, As an obviously motivated and intelligent skeptic (a VERY GOOD thing), your test needs to be examined carefully and probably repeated. The following comments regard your test as run. Data collected: I think the only data needed is how the airspeed changes as the weight is incrementally shifted to the rear. This should be done in ONE setup with all other variables constant. Autopilot: Someone smarter than me should comment on what effect this may have. What is your AP connected to anyway? It probably should be aileron and rudder only. Digital level: I'll wager it was never used in this environment. Delete it. If the airspeed indicator is digital you won't see small changes. AOA: Keep this for another test. Simplify..... >>53 pounds..... transferred to the FS 84 Location This may have pass right through the optional weight transfer. From this test we can't tell. >>The auto pilot requests trim assist... This worries me. >>Maybe I am fast because my engine thrust...... Like Larry's bird with the horiz stab leading edge set too low, there are a variety of small differences between aircraft. It's often hard to isolate the truth for a specific case. Here's my suggested test: Arrange a way to transfer in flight, by hose, 5 gallons of water from the cockpit to the baggage compartment at 1-2 gallons per minute. Carefully monitor the TAS and make sure everything stays constant while the water is flowing. Repeat a couple of times. Record results. This will tell you if the effect is real or not and will benchmark the issue. The exact numbers can be teased out from there. Thanks, Eric M. Jones www.PerihelionDesign.com 113 Brentwood Drive Southbridge MA 01550-2705 Phone (508) 764-2072 Email: emjones@charter.net