Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:55:05 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta10.adelphia.net ([68.168.78.202] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.4) with ESMTP id 2609049 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:44:02 -0400 Received: from worldwinds ([68.169.130.16]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.32 201-253-122-126-132-20030307) with SMTP id <20030930124403.YICM27371.mta10.adelphia.net@worldwinds> for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 08:44:03 -0400 From: "Gary Casey" X-Original-To: "lancair list" Subject: harness anchor points X-Original-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 05:42:39 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 <> Now I'm not understanding the points being made. From the looks of the pictures the shoulder belts start at the seat back, go up and over the seat back support crossmember (or whatever it's called), over the shoulders and finally down to the buckle. One has to assume that belts can only support tension loads (no bending or compression) and therefore belt tension pulls upward on the seatback which apparently is strong enough to support the several thousand pound load that is possible. Then the belt changes direction over the crossmember to an angle that depends on the height of the shoulders compared to the height of the crossmember. The crossmember is apparently strong enough to hold both the down-load and the forward load from the occupant. And finally, the belt changes angle again over the shoulders to attach to the buckle. The magnitude of that angle determines the download on the shoulders during the impact, less angle giving less download, but more belt tension for a given forward impact load, but the download (compression load on the spine) cannot be eliminated. With the design shown the angle has nothing to do with the anchor point of the harness and only the height of the crossmember. The shoulder belt anchors in convertibles (cars) have always been a challenge because the mounting has to be lower, increasing the spine compression loading. Most designs now loop over the seat back, which is raised to be above the shoulder point for most drivers. The higher the anchor the less the compression loading. My interest is in how to mount the anchors in my ES so they don't interfere with the rear seat passengers. The only existing "hard point" is the hoop behind the door, but mounting an inertia reel there would affect the rear seat passengers. I'm tempted to put the reel further back, behind the rear seatback and then put a high-strength bar, or hoop, behind the door for the belt to angle downward. The seatback itself won't hold a forward load so it can't be used for this function. How do others do it? Gary Casey ES #157