Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #20751
From: adam <225papatango@cox.net>
Sender: Marvin Kaye <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: gliding distance
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 08:33:12 -0400
To: <lml>
>>>>>>If you have an engine failure isn't it true that you no longer have cabin
pressurization?  Would you anticipate going on emergency oxygen in this
situation or do you just attempt to get down to 10,000 or 12,000 before you
black out?

scot
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>>>>>Posted for "Tom Hall" <tomhall@starband.net>:

Unless you are a serious smoker or otherwise quite impaired in your
pulmonary function, you will have no problems remaining consious and
performing once you get below 20k. Give it a try sometime. You will find
that while you may notice some vision acuity decrease and your mental
functioning may be slightly less acute, you certainly can survive.
(especially if your adrenaline is pumping after a engine failure!!)
 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Scot....honestly I wasn't thinking about emergency Ox...gotta remember don't have that in the little four-bangers;)   Yes, I would emergency oxygen.  I found this table of "Times of Useful Consciousness" <after losing pressurization> on the USAF flight surgeon guide...>
 
FL 180 20 to 30 Min
FL 220 10 Min
FL 250  3 to 5 Min
FL 280 2.5 to 3 Min
 
Two things to note are that these are "average" times and also that they are not to total incapacitation.
 
From listening to you all and reading on the net, I'd guess that most of the IV-P owners cruise between FL220 and FL260.  I can't find any specs <anyone> online about the IVP emergency descent rates--I'd bet it was at least 2500 FPM when you drop the flaps, gear, and go up on a wing <of course assuming that you do it the same in a lancair as in a piper or cessna>  I'm thinking you'd have plenty of time to get down to where you wouldn't have many problems flying your aircraft.  FL200 does seem to be the "magic number"  (I don't smoke at all.)  But even after that..you would still have to get your bird down on the ground..preferably on an airport w/ paved runways..which brings me back to my original question. 
 
How far could you expect to glide if you had to?  Also, have any of you gotten your high altitude sign-off in a chamber?  I'd be interested in it eventually if you felt that it was worth it as far as future recognition of the signs of the onset of hypoxia.  IT just seems like a good idea but I've spoken to very few GA pilots that have actually gone through the process. 
 
Tom, I'm definately with you on being pumped up on adrenaline--there is nothing quieter than hearing your engine "quit" all of a sudden and then just the whistling wind.
 
Thank you all for the information,
Adam
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