Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:43:31 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from remt19.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.8.29] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.4) with ESMTP id 2602036 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:53:30 -0400 Received: from [68.116.153.45] (HELO fisher3p813qd9) by remt19.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with SMTP id 1267021 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:53:24 -0400 From: "Jerry Fisher" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: AOA Indications X-Original-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:50:06 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 First of all, like everyone else, I was distressed to see so much work destroyed in Ron's accident, and just pleased that he got off so lightly personally. However it does bring up some interesting issues about ASIs and AOAs. >From the outset I intended to fit an AOA indicator in my 360, having used them for many years on military fighters. I see 3 reasons for wanting one: 1. Providing warning of the approach to the stall in both level and accelerated flight. 2. Helping get maximum performance from the airplane (optimum approach angle, max range, max endurance, best glide angle etc). 3. Offering a back-up in the event of airspeed indicator failure. For an airplane like the 360, the last of these can be very significant, as we have just seen. I decided from the outset against the "standard" AOA system from Proprietary Software Systems because it does not offer any back-up if the pitot lines leak or get blocked, which is much more likely than a gauge failure. As I understand it, this system compares differential pressure between the upper and lower wing ports with pitot presuure to compute alpha. As a result, accurate pitot pressure is essential for the system to give accurate readings. This could be particularly deceptive if a pitot problem is subtle (e.g. a slight leak) so that the pilot does not know which to trust, when the real answer is neither. I looked at a number of other systems. The best seemed to be the Rite Angle III (http://www.riteangle.com/), and the Lift Reserve unit (http://www.liftreserve.com/). The Lift Reserve system uses differential pressures from the top and bottom of a fixed probe projecting at an angle from the lower wing surface. It is simlar in some ways to the PSS system, but without the pitot pressure input. The only trouble is that, as I understand it, the stall angle indicated may vary with speed, precisely because there is no comparison of the upper/lower differential pressures with pitot pressure. In other words the indicated alpha for a high speed accelerated stall will differ somewhat from that for a level unaccelerated stall. The company calls it a Lift Reserve indicator, which in my opinion fudges the issue. The Rite Angle system is simpler. It uses a vane mounted under the wing which swivels to follow the relative airflow, and which drives the cockpit indicator, which is similar to the PSS indicator. It also makes provision for changes in AOA with wing flap deployment. From the web site photos, someone (Rob Wolfe?) has fitted one to a 360. To me the advantage of independence from the pitot system far outweighs any concern over the use of an external vane, which is similar to those used on loads of fighters and airliners. It helps that the price is lower, at $545, too. The other possibilities include the Dynon system, but that requires you to use their electronic flight instrumentation system and a special pitot tube, and the much simpler and cheaper ACI system (http://www.stallwarning.co.uk/), but that is just a stall warner, nothing more. I had therefore decided on the Rite Angle system. Rob, is that your aircraft on their web site, and if so, what is your experience with the system? Jerry Fisher