Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net> (Marvin Kaye)
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:43:31 -0400
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From: "Dr. Weinsweig" <WeinsweigD@tsnci.com>
Subject:  aerobatics
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howdy all-

i couldn't help but writing in about this aerobatic thread.  a couple of =
years ago i decided to take an aerobatic lesson which made me extremely =
ill but boy it was fun!!  took another one 6 months later-same result but =
i suspect the champagne i drank the night before didn't help my stomach =
any-rule #1  avoid alcohol for days before aerobatics.

finally, i thought i want to learn more about this.  i knew it would help =
my piloting skills and who knew where it would lead.  i took a 15 hour =
intro to aerobatics course and got my tailwheel signoff at sunrise =
aviation at orange county, calif (michael church).  great school and felt =
safe doing basic aerobatics after this week.  took an hour lesson with m. =
church in his extra 300 and, well, had to have one.  so now the most fun =
that i have (with my clothes on as previously mentioned by another =
contributer) is in my extra 300l. what a machine-climbs almost like the =
turbine but rated to +/- 10 g's.

i guess what i'm getting at is that although i am very comfortable doing =
aerobatics in my extra i also feel strongly that lessons are a must if one =
is to be safe doing aerobatics.  it's not the maneuver that's necessarily =
hard-it's the botched maneuver that could prove deadly if altitude and =
reflexes are not on your side.  especially in a slick plane like the =
lancairs.  at sunrise whenever i was taught a new maneuver we then =
purposely botched the maneuver to see what would happen and to learn the =
recovery.  falling out of a loop due to low entry speed is actually a lot =
of fun in the right circumstance-not on your own for the first time =
without adequate spin training.

i think that even if you never plan on rolling or looping a plane a long =
weekend emergency maneuver/unusual attitude course is a great idea for all =
pilots.  but beware not to try to fit in too many flights in a day too =
early-2 flights a day is probably enough at first.

on the east coast i have taken lessons from keoki gray of amelia island =
aerobatics(55j in florida-off of jacksonville)in my extra as well as his =
pitts s2a and would reccomend him highly as a very competent qualified =
instructor who i periodically revisit to learn new maneuvers and make the =
basic ones crisper.

although i am not a cfi and have only around 1000 hrs tt i would like to =
mention the PARE spin secovery method which i am told should work for any =
plane that will recover from a spin-not all planes will.

P ower off

A elerons neutral

R udder-kick down on opposite rudder to the spin-if uncertain which it =
should                    be-kick on the harder rudder to push on until =
the rotation stops=20

E levator through neutral to establish flow over the wings for flight(note =
if spinning upright this will be forward elevator-if spinning inverted it =
will be aft elevator).

apparently some cessna manuals put elevator before rudder.  at several =
aerobatics forums that i have attended the instructor strongly insisted =
that PARE is the correct order for recovery.

sorry for the long digression but perhaps this may help someone someday.  =
i actually did not really understand the pare idea until i went to a forum =
after i bought my extra.

happy fun safe flying to all,

david weinsweig
ivp propjet-awaiting panel and engine
n750dw reserved

ps anyone ever looped a turbine aiplane!!!!?????  or a iv?  even following =
PARE i fear spin recovery in a botched maneuver may be catastrophic!