Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 11:00:53 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.162] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1) with ESMTP id 2513234 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 06 Aug 2003 10:59:56 -0400 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id q.f7.2ec1177c (3964) for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:59:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:59:53 EDT Subject: Re: [LML] Las Vegas accident X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1060181993" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 570 -------------------------------1060181993 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/6/2003 8:30:06 AM Central Daylight Time, IIP@hawaii.rr.com writes: I don't know much, but I fly in/out of the Honolulu Class B several times a week in a Bonanza and the tower has told me many times (apologetically) that there is a 3 minute mandatory wait after a heavy takes off. I have NEVER had a tower controller give me the choice to take off within that window. I believe it was the Vegas tower's responsibility NOT to put you on that runway unless he was able to give you the 3 minutes there. I think you should talk to the FAA and ask for the tapes. You may get your plane fixed for free. Brian, Bill, Good idea about the tapes (I think they only retain them for 30 days) - Get a copy. It does not need to be a "Heavy". Please note that the AIM states that the pilot cannot waive the 3 minutes behind a heavy, but can if taking off behind a "large" aircraft. Large is defined as "Certificated takeoff weight greater than 12,500 pounds". The tower cannot "waive" the time limit ever. Note for others: Distance is only used for flight in trail and landing - 5 miles. Scott Krueger Sky2high@aol.com LNC2 N92EX IO320 Aurora, IL (KARR) -------------------------------1060181993 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 8/6/2003 8:30:06 AM Central Daylight Time, IIP@hawai= i.rr.com writes:

I don't know much, but I fly in/out of the Hon= olulu Class B several
times a week in a Bonanza and the tower has told me= many times
(apologetically) that there is a 3 minute mandatory wait afte= r a heavy
takes off. I have NEVER had a tower controller give me the choi= ce to
take off within that window. I believe it was the Vegas tower's
= responsibility NOT to put you on that runway unless he was able to give
y= ou the 3 minutes there. I think you should talk to the FAA and ask for
th= e tapes. You may get your plane fixed for free.

Brian, Bill,

Good idea about the tapes (I think they only retain them for 30 days) -= Get a copy.

It does not need to be a "Heavy". Please note that the AIM states= that the pilot cannot waive the 3 minutes behind a heavy, but can if taking= off behind a "large" aircraft. Large is defined as "Certificated takeoff we= ight greater than 12,500 pounds". The tower cannot "waive" the time li= mit ever. Note for others: Distance is only used for flight= in trail and landing - 5 miles.

Scott Krueger
Sky2high@aol.com
LNC2 N92EX IO320 Aurora, IL (KARR)

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