Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 10:21:19 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net ([24.50.78.5] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0b7) with ESMTP id 1723442 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 10:05:10 -0400 Received: from worldwinds ([207.175.254.66]) by smtprelay2.dc3.adelphia.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id H22N4L03.906 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 10:05:09 -0400 From: "Gary Casey" X-Original-To: "lancair list" Subject: break-in oil X-Original-Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 07:03:40 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal <> Again, from my very rudimentary understanding, castor oil has better Extreme Pressure (EP) capability that petroleum-based oil and I suspect it is more "ashless" as well. 2-strokes have very little oil and burn it all and therefore have a lot of boundary lubrication requirements. Also, for break-in you want to allow the mating surfaces to grind off the mountain tops of the surfaces without melting - the characteristics of an EP lube. This is especially important for cam and lifter surfaces. Also, that's why the need for non-detergent oil during break-in as it is 100% oil and doesn't have any non-lubricating additives. Castor oil probably has little or no detergent or dispersant capabilities, so it can't be run for any extended time. Also, "Synthetic" oil consists of a more "pure" molecule, still constructed from petroleum oil base-stock, which doesn't change viscosity much with temperature, while non-synthetic (natural?) oil contains a very wide range of molecular weights. In order to increase the viscosity index (VI), reducing the viscosity change with temperature a VI improver can be added that causes the molecules to link together when hot. A 20W-50 oil is made from SAE 20 base stock and is really a SAE 20 oil at low temperature (the W stands for Winter, not Weight) that behaves like a standard SAE 50 oil when hot. However, the bonds created are weak and when the oil is sheared in the bearings many of these temporary bonds break permanently and the hot viscosity gradually decreases with hours of use. A compensating factor is that many of the very short molecules evaporate and the net result is that the viscosity tends to remain more or less constant. However, the VI will gradually decrease. A synthetic oil will not exhibit this "break-down", nor are there very many short molecules to evaporate and hence it will maintain a constant lubricating characteristic for a longer period of time. The synthetic by itself doesn't have very good EP performance, so an EP additive must come with the package. Just to make it more complex, the method of determining viscosity is "low stress," and is pretty much like dripping the oil through an orifice at low pressure. When in an engine there isn't much of that going on and the important measurement is how well it holds the metal surfaces of the bearings apart while being sheared (imagine the relative surface velocity of the bearing surfaces and the small clearance between them) at a high rate. Oil tends to behave at a lower viscosity level under those conditions, especially multi-viscosity oil. In other words, a straight 50 oil will have a higher effective viscosity hot than a 20W-50 oil. I was told a long time ago by an oil guy that you get about half the advertised effect - 20W-50 oil is better described as a 20W-35 oil. So then what viscosity do you need? That's not entirely clear and begs another long discussion. Gary Casey ES project