Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.1) with ESMTP id 993746 for rob@logan.com; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:29:22 -0500 Received: from front2.chartermi.net ([24.213.60.124]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:57:02 -0500 Received: from [24.247.44.152] (HELO imt00064) by front2.chartermi.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5b2) with SMTP id 41957555 for lancair.list@olsusa.com; Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:57:44 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c18b11$e1949300$982cf718@up.chartermi.net> From: "tom" To: "lancair mail list" Subject: TSIO 550 vs. Engineair Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 09:55:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I have followed the development of this engine from the start, watching Jim and Al get virtually mobbed at Oshkosh the first time they brought the plane. With huge disappointment in the existing engine option (low time major maintenance issues), many builders were looking for something better. Water cooled engines looked really appealing, avoiding the many cooling pitfalls of the normal a/c engines. At that show there were builders literally throwing money at them to get this engine. I was amazed people would jump so quick into something they knew very little about. I followed them through the nightmare of PSRU development. I talked with many builders with deposit's on engines. Not all were happy. My perspective, we are all responsible to validate our investment. Few are totally risk free. With any research, placing a deposit on this engine certainly had risk. Come to think of it, I imagine Lance had some guys standing around his first plane at Oshkosh with some money too. We all know the "rest of the story" with that one. Great job Lance. As far as the fuel consumption, I think it is totally believable considering there is no need to dump excessive fuel through it to help cooling at high power settings. I have made no decision on the engine for my IVP, but I have watched and researched every option. The Walters option Lancair had at Oshkosh this last summer had me drooling. I love speed and this option has it. Unfortunately for my situation, this one will not work. The range on this installation will require a fuel stop on many flights I am sure will be non-stop with the gas engine options. I also have some reservations about the Walters Engine coming over from a 3rd world country. For those using this option, I wish you the best. Every engine option that works successfully helps bring the other contenders up to the plate improving their product. I know several TSIO 550 Engine owners that have experienced catastrophic engine failures in flight. One plane from the Denver area I had worked on, and knew the owner well. His problem was a known defect in the turbo scavenge oil pump. He is very lucky to be alive, as well as his wife and friend. The same failure was experienced by another builder in Wisconsin with much less damaging results, thanks to Don Goetz at the controls. This builder then lived through the crankshaft AD. His Lancair spent a lot of time with the engine cowl off during the first 2 years of completion. Do I have a grudge for Continental? No. My life depends on them now for 250 hours a year with their big bore engine. My only hope is that one of the alternate contenders can make it through the difficult development and proving stages to give us another option. And Rick, I appreciate any skepticism on product out there. With an engine decision to make in the future, any problems with an existing product is required knowledge. But I like honesty in any opinions I value. While Doug Pohl was not at the Lancair Builders session at Oshkosh last summer DUE to his engine failure in route to the show, you and I were. Someone (I believe Brent or Jim F) talked about our need as builders to be more careful about working on our planes. Dougs very accident was sited and the suspected cause was reveiled. It was very evident at that time his accident had nothing to do with the type of engine in the plane. Your question, at best, is misleading. >Question: How many hours were on your plane when you had the engine failure and >subsequent crash? Reliability is important to me. If you are really not on a witch hunt, go out to Engineair and check them out. Your perspective would be interesting. 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