Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:44:51 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0b4) with ESMTP id 1514727 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:28:00 -0400 Received: from hawaii.rr.com ([24.25.227.35]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:22:02 -0400 Received: from iipmobile ([24.161.136.173]) by hawaii.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.517.51); Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:27:55 -1000 Reply-To: From: "IIP" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mail List" Subject: stall/spin ad nauseum X-Original-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:27:56 -1000 Organization: Inter Island Petroleum Inc. X-Original-Message-ID: <002801c21dc5$4dd59140$6501a8c0@hawaii.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Original-Return-Path: IIP@hawaii.rr.com "It is incredible to me that anyone would consider regularly operating an airplane without a thorough familiarity with the stall/spin characteristics." Hmmm. It is equally incredible to me that anyone would consider regularly operating an automobile without a thorough familiarity with the high speed oversteer/understeer skid characteristics on uneven country roads in the rain at night. With no headlights. And bad shocks. Let's learn to operate every piece of equipment at the very edge of its envelope so we are pretty sure we can deal with most anything that arises. Then we don't have to worry as much about how we operate it. Good plan. Note to a different writer: "Experience counts"? Sounds logical, especially if it is the experienced one talking. Unfortunately, aviation statistics don't seem to support that conclusion. It certainly counts for some things, but, for safety, the right mental attitude beats flight hours and ratings every time, IMHO. In the explosives business, there is a saying, "Familiarity breeds contempt". Guard against getting too comfortable with what you do all the time and have never been hurt doing. Brian Barbata N104PT LIVPT 90% PS: Real world: If deep stall/spin recovery training made us safer, where are the insurance discounts and FAA requirements, particularly on Experimentals? PPS: The place to practice super hero airplane recovery is in a full motion/full view simulator at Flight Safety. Unfortunately, they don't have serious sims for our type airplanes, and the jet sims they have that will really get you sweating/barfing rent out at like $1,000+ per hour.