Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5) with ESMTP id 970518 for rob@logan.com; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 03:13:13 -0500 Received: from hnlfe2.hawaii.rr.com ([24.25.227.113]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2001 02:51:21 -0500 Received: from brian ([24.161.141.242]) by hnlfe2.hawaii.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:51:03 -1000 Reply-To: Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com From: "IIP" To: "Lancair Mail List" Subject: Insurance Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:51:08 -1000 Organization: Inter Island Petroleum Message-ID: <003301c183aa$ed484520$6601a8c0@hawaii.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal Return-Path: IIP@hawaii.rr.com X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Gentlemen: I wonder if there's a whole different way to go with this. What if the Association was self-insured? If there were 200 members, and the limit of insurance (liability, airplane, etc.) was $1 million, each of the members would only be exposed for $5,000 for the first year. We would each pay $5,000 up front, which would be invested. If we had over $1 million in claims in the first year, it would be too bad for the others, but for $5,000 it would be a good bet. In any case, if we continued to pay $5,000 EVERY year, we would have $1 million more capital PER YEAR, and it would still be much cheaper than regular insurance. By the third year, we would be able to survive multiple major claims (God forbid). After a few years, premiums for some founding members could go down (maybe to zero if we had no bad experiences), as determined by the directors of the Association. As a "cooperative", we could even return some of the premium annually based on loss experience and fund size. If the Association required the kinds of inspections and currency training you guys have been talking about, it could be comfortable that claims would be low. With all this being managed within an Association, we wouldn't have the concerns, expressed by many, that it might get out of hand. Because the focus would be on Lancairs, and we would establish our own risk standards, we would be in a much better position than an insurance company, which has to balance all kinds of risk. Maybe we would have a "Risk Committee" that would design a point scale for safety which would determine whether a plane and pilot would be admitted to the program. Or, maybe the scale would determine a discount. As the funds built, we could hire someone with the proper experience to manage both the insurance and the Association activities. I think it could build fast, since the rates could be lower than what anyone is paying right now. We would find the most permissive state for insurance regulation and establish it there. What do you think? I'd rather manage our own risks and the investment of capital than some bureaucratic insurance underwriter who has never seen a Lancair! Brian Barbata >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://members.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please remember that purchases from the Builders' Bookstore assist with the management of the LML. Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>