Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5b8) with ESMTP id 952218 for rob@logan.com; Fri, 09 Nov 2001 10:18:45 -0500 Received: from imo-m09.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.164]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:39:39 -0500 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.8.) id k.108.83664d9 (3974) for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:52:23 -0500 (EST) From: Sky2high@aol.com Message-ID: <108.83664d9.291d47a6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 09:52:22 EST Subject: Re: Relay Problem To: lancair.list@olsusa.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Rick, If your master switch or its circuit to ground has resistance or poor connections, the juice used to initially pull in the relay may not be enough to hold it during the startup current draw of the newly energized entire master circuit (lights, pumps, etc) -- this may be exacerbated each time by carbon buildup on the master relay contacts which might require a few closure hammerings before good enough contact is made. If replacing the master relay does not change the situation one iota, carefully check the master switch and its circuit. Also, check the battery/engine ground connection. The basis is as follows: My friend Arnie had a similar problem recently, the master relay contacts would not make until the master switch was snapped on several times, and replacing the master relay corrected the symptom (carbon clogged contacts), but not the cause. My Cessna Skymaster had similar problems where the master switch had some resistance in it which meant the holding current/voltage for the master relay was reduced and allowed the contacts to bounce during turbulence, thus arcing and building carbon which ultimately reduced the current/voltage available on the master circuit leading to difficulty in starting the first engine and reducing the ability of the battery to act as a EMF noise ballast. This was combined with unavoidable corrosion buildup at the aircraft frame ground. After cleaning the aircraft/engine ground (should be done each annual), using a new switch and relay all power/noise problems were cured. Another Lancair owner was recently having problems with VM1000 readouts and after cleaning up his ground connection to the engine, all the problems went away. Scott Krueger LNC2 N92EX (Just cleaned my ground at 365 Tach Hours) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://members.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please remember that purchases from the Builders' Bookstore assist with the management of the LML. Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>