Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5b7) with ESMTP id 943035 for rob@logan.com; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 00:47:47 -0500 Received: from mail.cruzio.com ([63.249.95.37]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 23:19:51 -0500 Received: from oemcomputer (sa-63-249-90-104.cruzio.com [63.249.90.104]) by mail.cruzio.com with SMTP id UAA10852; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:32:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <011c01c1628e$475adde0$685af93f@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Larry Graves" Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com From: "Larry Graves" To: Cc: "Dave Saylor" References: <20011031055039.AAA16807@pop3.olsusa.com> <016801c1621f$1d536f40$82cca443@roylok1.mi.home.com> Subject: Builder Assistance Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 20:31:21 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> To Ed, Dave, Rob, Skip and all, the dialogue here on builder assistance is good and I have refrained from commenting for a bit, but now I would like to add a few comments and thoughts for the group. I believe the FAA would say their primary intent in creating the major portion rule FAR 91.121(g), Advisory Circular 20-139A and publication 8130.2(D) is to "safeguard the public" from uncertified production of aircraft. If an individual wants to build a plane and fly it, that's fine. If an individual wants to buy a flying aircraft, and buys something he erroneously believes is certified or built "professionally" to certified standards, well that's not OK, and the regulators see this as a hazard to the public safety. So, the dilemma goes, how can the government "allow" people to build and fly, yet prevent backyard assembly lines from producing planes and selling them to an unwary public? The regulation and advisory publications also attempt to define the amateur builder, and for a brief synopsis of all the definitions and issues, I'd recommend that you go to our website (see below) and read the page titled "The 51% Rule." I think there is a huge need and a big market for education and assistance in the experimental aircraft world. I put my money where my mouth is and in 1998 formed a company to provide these services to people who can appreciate and use them. There is no way a person building an aircraft for the first time can possibly know all the things a group of A&Ps and IAs who have been building experimental airplanes for years know. My business partner and I decided to concentrate the wisdom of a dozen experienced mechanics, builders and educators in one place and help people build safer more airworthy planes. Here, they do it in a shorter amount of time than they could working alone without support. The concept seems to be working well. Owners have to come here at least periodically and perform the fabrication and assembly operations required by the FAA to qualify as amateur builders. This has nothing to do with hours of labor, or even with "half the plane." The kitplane manufacturers have figured this out and are now offering factory fastbuild options where an owner goes to the factory and "drinks from the fire hose" to get their major airframe components put together in short order. We recommend everyone do this. There is still plenty of work for the owners (and for us) to do after the fastbuild kit comes home! We have taken a very high-profile approach with the FAA and have established good working relationships with the local FSDO safety inspectors, local DARs and IAs. We don't try to hide what we are doing, in fact, we want the FAA to understand who we are, and that our two primary concerns are 1) being a soundly-run, profitable business, and 2) making experimental aircraft (and their pilots) safer and less prone to mishap. We hope to convince the regulators and the builder community that this sort of service, provided conscientiously and professionally, is in the best interests of all. We are working with the EAA, kitplane manufacturers and the insurance industry to increase awareness of safety issues in using builder education and assistance services while building and flying experimentals. We are working hard to create the concept of authorized service centers for many types of experimental kitplanes, so that we can provide inspection, repair, maintenance and modification services to owners who may not be original builders, or who just want a little help. I think responsible businesses must conduct ongoing training for their employees and must vigilantly monitor the quality of their work product. If they don't, they will soon be out of business. The marketplace is brutally direct and honest, and tolerates very few mistakes. It is a good customer in that respect. Better, in fact than any regulatory body I can think of in keeping us on our toes. Best Regards, Larry Graves AirCrafters Builder Education Center 140 Aviation Way, Watsonville, CA 95076 Tel: 831-722-9141 Fax: 831-722-9142 www.AirCraftersLLC.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://members.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please remember that purchases from the Builders' Bookstore assist with the management of the LML. Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>