Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5b7) with ESMTP id 942200 for rob@logan.com; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:59:52 -0500 Received: from femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com ([24.254.60.18]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:35:23 -0500 Received: from cc1860069a ([67.164.204.130]) by femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20011030154752.IIAA7190.femail28.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cc1860069a> for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:47:52 -0800 Message-ID: <009401c1615a$4a0b73e0$82cca443@roylok1.mi.home.com> From: "Edmond de Chazal" To: References: <20011030054838.AAA18268@pop3.olsusa.com> Subject: Re: Insurance Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 10:48:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> The whole builder assist idea has made me grimace a bit. Seems on the surface to be a way around the regs. The experimental class relaxes the certification rules in exchange for an educational experience on the part of the builder/flyer. Seems like a more than fair deal for us. It seems inevitable to me that the builder assist business that violates the 51% rule of contribution by the OWNER is going to end badly. I, for one, take my flying and maintenance responsibilities very seriously because I know there is no-one else I can fall back on to save my skin. I take nothing on faith as far as the airworthiness of the airplane goes. When I was flying certified airplanes as a low time pilot, I took just about everything on faith regarding the airworthiness of the airplane. Having someone else build your experimental airplane is a potentially dangerous middle ground where you don't know what's inside (or understand the systems) and yet there's little maintenance and factory support to cover for you. I know the FAA and EAA looked at all this several years ago and I guess they decided the current practice would be allowed to continue. I don't know what the protections in place are such as which name goes down as the manufacturer and who the FAA hands an airworthiness certificate to. Who does the Annuals? Even considering this, there's little substitute for intensity and care given to building when you know it's your butt in the seat if it goes down. And for us first time builders that may not have fully appreciated the care required or lacked knowledge, we paid the price getting it ready for the test pilot and the subsequent modifications, tweaks and adjustments needed during the first year or so of flying. The beauty of the INTENT of the regs it seems to me is that if you have the gumption to build an airplane, then you can probably look after all aspects of ownership responsibly, including flight training and caution. If you don't have the time for building, then you can buy certified airplanes where most aspects of ownership are 'backed up' so that you need invest only a minimum of time and effort to operate safely. Seems to me the middle ground is going to be unsafe for some unsuspecting people. Ed de Chazal 361DC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://members.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please remember that purchases from the Builders' Bookstore assist with the management of the LML. Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>