Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.7) with ESMTP id 806572 for rob@logan.com; Wed, 04 Jul 2001 21:07:07 -0400 Received: from qbert.gami.com ([65.66.11.38]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71175U5500L550S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 19:03:36 -0400 Received: by QBERT with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 4 Jul 2001 18:15:36 -0500 Message-ID: <52548863F8A5D411B530005004759A9301294E@QBERT> From: George Braly To: "'lancair.list@olsusa.com'" Cc: "Timothy C. Roehl" , "'jdeakin@avweb.com'" Subject: RE: Starting techniques Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 18:15:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> There are four rules to making a hot start without making a fool out of yourself: 1) Get the fuel pump cooled off; and 2) Make a normal start. 3) Any other method **may** work. That includes Voodoo. No other method is inherently designed to work. 4) See Rule 1 & 2. If the magnetos are working properly, then hot starting problems are NOT a function of which magneto or gizmo you are using on the spark end of the deal. I have investigated this issue in some detail, using an appropriate engineering approach and scientific method. A recently shut down hot engine will cause the accessories to rise to a temperature of about 210 to 220F about 30 minutes after shutdown in a closed hangar with no ventilation when the OAT is about 100F. Been there, done that, measured that. That includes the fuel pump. The core of the fuel pump is even hotter. Avgas flashes to vapor at a temperature lower than that. If you put your bare pinkies on the case of the fuel pump you will burn yourself! The ***************** ONLY ************* issue with respect to an engine being harder to start when very hot verses when not very hot is that the fuel pump core is so hot that it flashes fuel to vapor rather than pumping liquid. Period. Parade rest. That is, honest folks... the ONLY issue. You cure that issue by pumping fuel through the fuel pump for .... NOT 15 or 30 seconds, but at least 60 seconds and maybe as much as 90 or more. When it is cool enough, you can momentarily put your finger on it without burning yourself. You simply must cool off the interior core of the fuel pump sufficiently so that it will not flash fuel to vapor when it starts to pump when the engine fires. That is the problem. The only problem. If you think it is something else, then I would like to hear an explanation of what it is and why. Really.... this is the only problem. I fly an average of four to six different turbocharged Bonanzas (and a further variety of other high powered turbocharged certified and experimental aircraft ) each month during turbo installs and R & M here in Ada, Oklahoma. It is about 100F outside today. In almost every case, I have to start them right after the mechanic has been out on the runup pad operating the engine at full power in order to verify the fuel flow and manifold pressure set up. Worse, he has to get the oil temp fully up to operating temperature in order to properly set the absolute pressure controller. In the summer time, I typically "enjoy" the advantage of getting into the airplane about 20-30 minutes after that full power ground run up, and at least two or three mechanics are standing around with their hands over their mouths watching to see if I will make a "hot start fool" out of myself, and worse, often the owner is in the airplane with me when I say ".... let me show you hot to do this...it works every time..." and then I have to prove it. I am sure it is going to fail me... sometime. And I will become embarrassed, no doubt! But so far, it has not. Regards, George Braly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>