Return-Path: Received: from marvkaye.olsusa.com ([205.245.9.200]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-44819U2500L250S0) with SMTP id AAA8916 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:37:23 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981010213650.00717e08@olsusa.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:36:50 -0400 To: lancair.list@olsusa.com From: (by way of Marvin Kaye ) Subject: Re:Engine Vibration X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Hannes Trnka writes about the superior vibration characteristics of the V-8 over the big Continental IO-550. I had an obscure graduate course in Engine Design some years ago where they taught us how to calculate vibration harmonics in any internal combustion engine configuration. It got a little complicated but the results could be validated by anyone driving a range of sports cars. 4-cylinder engines, either inlines or horizontally opposed are beasts that exhibit second order imbalances that can only be eliminated by the addition of two counter rotating balancing shafts. Porsche and Mitsubishi did this on their larger 4-cylinder inline engines. The second order issues come up because of the connecting rod linkage. 6-cylinder engines, both in-lines and horizontally opposed versions are balanced inherently both in first and second order frequencies. This is why straight six cars are so smooth. V-6s and V-8s both have a 'rotating couple' (can't remember if it's first or second order) that means that to smooth it out would require an additional counterrotating balance shaft. These engines can sometimes feel 'lumpy' as a result. V-12s are two inline 6s welded together and enjoy the same smooth characteristics. Firing pulses add to the feeling of vibration but are entirely different. Here, the more cylinders, the better. So, just like we always knew, V-12s are the best. So the horizontal 6 you IV guys have should be a very nice package and may in fact be a little better than a V-8 (except for the firing pulses which you can test by pulling throttle at constant rpm). Our Mooney (IO-360 200hp) with big 2-blade Hartzell shook like a wet dog no matter where the throttle was set. My guess is the biggest vibration source is the prop so maybe the best plan is to invest in a light weight 4-blade version. Along with others, I've raised my eyebrows at the thought of someone trying to develop an alternative powerplant without the backing of NASA or other well heeled organization. I worked in the transmission department at Chrysler for a few years down the hall from engine design and recall that a lot of people took at least three years to develop a scratch engine (GM took about 8 with Northstar) with a lot of dynamometer and proving grounds time. And if the occasional engine fails, it's not a life or death issue. If our engines had to meet aviation performance criteria, we'd have to spend substantially more time developing them. Of course we would sell them for a lot more money and buy better components too (which leads to selling far fewer and probably losing our shirts). When engineers design engines for cars, they are designed for cars and nothing else. The parts are as cheap as they can make them and are tested to specifications that we think reflect real world driving, which is a guessing game. Cost is either the number one or number two design criteria depending on the car manufacturer. Why would one start with such an animal for an aircraft application? It sure seems to me that a certified engine (including the new Orenda V-8) is a far less risky way to go. I hope the alternative engines offer benefits that make the risk worth it. Ed de Chazal Rochester Michigan