Return-Path: Received: from marvkaye.olsusa.com ([205.245.9.223]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-44819U2500L250S0) with SMTP id AAA5663 for ; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:17:21 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981010151650.00c0b7f0@olsusa.com> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:16:50 -0400 To: lancair.list@olsusa.com From: ReganRanch@aol.com (by way of Marvin Kaye ) Subject: Fuel Systems X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Bill Gradwohl writes: << Why won't this work? What have I forgotten? Which one of my assumptions is incorrect? >> All your arguments are valid under "normal" circumstances. Unfortunately it is the abnormal circumstances that kill people so lets discuss those. The first problem I'll call "one dry all dry". Because of the low head pressure (as you pointed out) and the relative location of the tanks and boost pump, there is a slight negative pressure at the inlet of the boost pump during operation. THIS IS BECAUSE THE FLOW LOSSES IN THE LINE BETWEEN THE TANK AND THE PUMP EXCEED THE HEAD PRESSURE. Therefore when one tank runs dry air is free to flow into the system and because the air has virtually no flow losses it is AT A HIGHER PRESSURE THAN THE FUEL AT THE PUMP INLET. The boost pump will try to pump air into the engine until the head pressure and flow losses balance in the line that still has fuel at which point the boost pump will pump a mixture of air and fuel to the engine. Check valves won't help here. This brings us to a secondary problem of de-aeration. While aeration is good for a fish tank it is bad for a fuel system, particularly a Continental fuel system that relies on fuel pressure regulation for mixture control. A big gulp of air in a Continental will likely cause a flameout. Also, one of the return lines functions is to return air, and or fuel vapor, to the tanks but in your system the air is returned to the fuel pump inlet. Can you say "VAPOR LOCK". In your system on a hot day it would be easy to fill the entire system with fuel vapor and have no way to purge it. This can also happen on hot start or on climb out because the ambient pressure drops faster than the vapor pressure of the hot fuel. The third big reason is that the FAA or your DAR won't approve it. They are particularly sensitive to fuel systems after the John Denver crash. To review; with the system you describe you cannot predict when you will run out of fuel, it has no provision to vent a vapor lock and it is not airworthy. The KISS system IS the one described in the manual. Just so you know that I am not making this up, I spent 12 years designing hydraulic systems for robots, submarines and aircraft and I am the guy that identified a fatal flaw in the factories prototype IV-P's hydraulic system. The fix I engineered is in every IV flying today. If I have not convinced you yet then go out to your shop, select a large mallet from your toolbox, sit down on the floor and picture your fuel system in your mind. While you are concentrating, strike your cranium repeatedly with the mallet until you forget why you are doing it. Proceed with installing the fuel system per the manual unhindered by foolish thoughts:) Seriously though, I would hate for you to become another statistic. Please don't implement your fuel system. My insurance rates can't tolerate another increase. Regards Brent