X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:53:59 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm32-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([72.30.239.137] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTPS id 6494630 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 03:27:18 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=72.30.239.137; envelope-from=chris_zavatson@yahoo.com Received: from [98.139.215.140] by nm32.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2013 07:26:42 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.226] by tm11.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2013 07:26:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1035.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Sep 2013 07:26:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 951065.171.bm@omp1035.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 78991 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Sep 2013 07:26:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qIlFrlKvoyux21x8vel4RwkNDUZZDAMqYGJLkgoAWWgVUoH1cK4WOifvyHS3H5/2N3AhB7LfIaYcXMNvCOAA6asHeGKPmnC/Q0nfeSUy7X5S4Ynm4js2sL4vRzOGICo3LotOi7k4UuLauF4OYNmC+SnU7jSMT1vyKgpGCxZjOMc=; X-YMail-OSG: 0bY0d4IVM1neGm8Mqolgj9sV6hbJrW.C2hcEAGU1EQ4ilDY lcc0xmzJ9dli_QGBnQd9TjIAAZKgcmygMKWyxerclJtyGQe8KeUWuXayr9aB Qkt3SYxuNDy.w4SGStHyn5EQz201s7NeHxY2ooCI4T.BrNddZwm1Y3atMwOY 4qi_b0C7ONwh13zSGVbgT6GNT.0mZKNKhGGJGbSPXBPFjx3XBgFxesNb0bOg LArmuw5fH9Pm5DwJ9a6aGRHnOGc6HQ6xoqZLXp6ytCewPb1wK05ksymRIox4 AEmf7xQuu_84WZ.IuOdPgKR9QDnYMDMwabC9ZN.fIMx8loPEhMhq7ZOp2Omw LPFiY6d7W2hZnV2ynhwMEj1FKFoGAW9Vbt5Lgm23umKhHFVZ6yDnstfFtXf6 IGBaJODKs5OKGgaSODVeTgOL41D5qRWOHaIhvwGlc8nrH_PSR7sashZMh7Hz vHYlqeDyI0kaZ6MwwYPcIjVys5tsWYIGi443ApmtVNPltZPyiXH6nXNP3qv7 mJUJT3LUH3Gll.tAvfkYeSBjvj4nlKtOVgMM_Es.cMas19SkmEhbb5SaughO bvB1YG3HqAYiRDoMohn6mkoXN7OxQLqz9FrEYTbrgxlExLi9nMBR7vZicDk5 otlebbN7cedAxXF3mlRM4TppaNw-- Received: from [172.14.16.72] by web121604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Sep 2013 00:26:41 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,U28gSSBoYXBwZW5lZCB0byBiZSBsb29raW5nIGZvciBzb21ldGhpbmcgdW5yZWxhdGVkIGluIHRoZSBGQiBtYW51YWwgYW5kIGNhbWUgYWNyb3NzIHRoaXMgb24gcGFnZSAxMC0yNDoKCiJMYW5jYWlyIGZsYXBzIGFyZSBmdWxsIGVsZWN0cmljIGFjdHVhdGVkLsKgIFRoZXkgYXJlIGRlc2lnbmVkIHRvIHJ1biBmcm9tICs0NSBkb3duIHRvIC0xMCB1cCAocmVmbGV4KS7CoCBOb3RlIHRoYXQgdGhlICdmYWlyZWQgaW4gcG9zaXRpb24nIGZvciBmbGFwcyBpcyBhY3R1YWxseSBhIC03IGRlZyByZWZsZXggcG9zaXQBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.160.587 References: X-Original-Message-ID: <1380439601.78927.YahooMailNeo@web121604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 00:26:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Zavatson Reply-To: Chris Zavatson Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Lancair 320/360 performance and stability X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-36511695-1545114476-1380439601=:78927" ---36511695-1545114476-1380439601=:78927 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So I happened to be looking for something unrelated in the FB manual and ca= me across this on page 10-24:=0A=0A"Lancair flaps are full electric actuate= d.=A0 They are designed to run from +45 down to -10 up (reflex).=A0 Note th= at the 'faired in position' for flaps is actually a -7 deg reflex position.= ....."=0A=0AMy standard build manual is in storage so I could not compare.= =A0 It would appear the intent was to be able to go to -10 degrees after al= l.=0A=0AChris Zavatson=0AN91CZ=0A360std=0Ahttp://www.n91cz.net/=0A =0A=0A__= ______________________________=0A From: Christian Meier = =0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net =0ASent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 3:19 AM= =0ASubject: [LML] Re: Lancair 320/360 performance and stability=0A =0A=0A= =0AChris,=0A=0Atoday I made a picture during Cruise with Autopilot at 7500f= t with following configuration:=0A770 kg =A040l in header, 20l in each wing= (80l total), 75kg and 83kg for pilot and co.=0AFlap was on 7=B0 reflex =A0= CG 26,20" =A0=0AMy design CG is 22,8 =A0- =A030,3 from firewall back, =A0ho= rizontal was installed - 0.6=B0=0A=0ASo it looks like if I would add more r= eflex than 7=B0, I would need more down elevator.=0ASo the gain with the hi= gher reflex would be lost with the down elevator....=0A=0AChristian=0A=0A= =A0=0A>=0A>=A0 =0A>=A0=0A>=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> ---36511695-1545114476-1380439601=:78927 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So I happened to be l= ooking for something unrelated in the FB manual and came across this on pag= e 10-24:
 
"Lancair flaps are full electric actuat= ed.  They are designed to run from +45 down to -10 up (reflex).  = Note that the 'faired in position' for flaps is actually a -7 deg reflex po= sition. ....."
 
My standard build manual is in st= orage so I could not compare.  It would appear the intent was to be ab= le to go to -10 degrees after all.
 
Chris Zavatso= n
N91CZ
360std

From: Christian Meier <lancair@meier.cc>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 3:19 AM Subject: [LML] Re: Lanc= air 320/360 performance and stability

Chris,

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today I made a picture during Cruise with Autopilot at 7500ft wit= h following configuration:
770 kg  40l in header, 20l in eac= h wing (80l total), 75kg and 83kg for pilot and co.
Flap was on 7=B0 reflex  CG= 26,20"  
My design CG is 22,8  -  30,3 from firew= all back,  horizontal was installed - 0.6=B0

= So it looks like if I would add more reflex than 7=B0, I would need more do= wn elevator.
So the gain with the higher reflex would be lost wit= h the down elevator....

Christian
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