X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 14:43:45 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm13-vm5.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([216.39.63.131] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTPS id 6493556 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:09:10 -0400 Received-SPF: neutral receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.39.63.131; envelope-from=browncc1@verizon.net Received: from [216.39.60.167] by nm13.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2013 03:08:34 -0000 Received: from [98.138.104.97] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2013 03:08:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp117.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Sep 2013 03:08:33 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 946433.1588.bm@smtp117.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 9Hq.kgQVM1kY6k.qLr45txQMOxJXDSZmJiu27gw7tx_33fi HVWTbZ52_n47cPelEITHVH.Ekl75IEce1L3vlkcNkflPbZGM.aPwOyXFS4fH MHGjVUuYM8yuVM2vskuh0ogGrXf_tiDerJim0lr5z9AY34z7O1mNxGvIyIcx Hsnp7i006tWCBqmaVNwwQTJfka6Xt_uVC1TMrYWme2AS7PG1n2Fi6lz4emjO bEVWW2RvdoltE4h.hqrqG2jzILND60UPF0Yu9rPGhnrO6vNPrPuHz7i9oFJw 43eFIU8NVLNyaxrss0K5kH65zFC48WwgREHkivPbJmQ2KVq.61j7Q5wm30jl WK801rs7hDbAkh3HCsC2jgQGo4XyheDWJH9F8nX81lumKJvnQkuqmP4na.Cs tY9su4p4xo1SMx8FjLup71EKlk1anL4RlmI1__gGdjtDkywHlR2AuJ5AQvoG _40gfDBUqllwqa75gTx9x8tIYuX7d069Vg6fejoi8hv_Ik2xgWQAyKhNYx4x INfPCQIwmmaL_PkWAM38R0MTqGZVY8DjBsr.zn4iuVn1imP7GOZOr6f6jQmh OCwoyFdvXTfQaTnJ2NEt_pQyjiU8wsMagDXc5.CnAFIBk.CP7mF_q2WZVf5H h2R.9e9Ohpwkz7MX6FB6toJ5vYVKJPMUWCOcY5jr0Dqt_kQdr3QUdqVHGgka j X-Yahoo-SMTP: F49l9g6swBC0R9n8vJIbm7Tf3P8Xlmia8rHIwTlO__Ml X-Rocket-Received: from chass-imac-2.home (browncc1@72.64.81.250 with ) by smtp117.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Sep 2013 03:08:33 +0000 UTC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Communication From: Charles Brown In-Reply-To: X-Original-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:08:33 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Message-Id: <3B0DE9CD-78E1-41FA-871F-3096996034BC@verizon.net> References: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Angier,=20 I guess the most authoritative guidance on this is the AIM Chapter 4 = (Air Traffic Control) Section 2 (Radio Communications Phraseology and = Techniques) paragraph 4-2-3 (Contact Procedures) subparagraph a. = (Initial Contact) bullet 1. which say to use your full aircaft = identification as discussed in paragraph 4-1-4 Aircraft Call Signs. =20 And THAT paragraph says in bold letters that call signs should *never be = abbreviated on an initial contact...* and gives this example for = experimentals: =20 quote:: Breezy Six One Three Romeo Experimental (omit "Experimental" = after initial contact) ::end quote =20 By analogy I guess it's "Lancair One Two Three Alpha Experimental" on = first call and after that "Lancair Two Three Alpha" There is indeed a wide variety of practices and opinions among ATC = professionals and I find that one of the most common errors for my = Legacy is that the type designation "LEG2" on the flight plan is = misinterpreted as "LongEze". =20 I recently decided to switch from "Experimental 550KC" to "Lancair = 550KC". No one argues with it, and those who understand what a Lancair = is, will have an easier time recognizing it. I think we could probably = all use "Lancair" and get the point across: something generally fast, = small, with a conventional low-wing arrangement and (mostly) = retractable. Charley On Sep 27, 2013, at 6:33 PM, Greenbacks, UnLtd. wrote: Question...When identifying yourself to ground, tower, approach, etc., = is it a requirement that you say you are an experimental Lancair? The local tower doesn't care and there seems to be some confusion = amongst the local pilot community. Angier Ames N4ZQ 54hrs -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html