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Steve,
I would think the 320-360 strut would be less complicated then Legacy. Another reason I sent mine in for OH it was a 1989-1990 model sitting around unused for over 20 years. Given I couldn't get parts and wanted the self centering option I bit the bullet. Now that I have all the updated parts I will disassemble it when the time comes and do as Mike has done. I personally feel more secure when I have supervised a repair. All design changes should be easy assessable and available. Is that not why we have repairmen certificates? Lancair does have a right to charge a fee for the parts but it should be reasonable. There will still be plenty of owners that will prefer Lancair OH it.
Steve Alderman N25SA 360
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Colwell <mcmess1919@yahoo.com>
To: lml <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:28 am
Subject: [LML] Question on Legacy MG Strut
I have a ESCO P/N NGO-2000, S/N: 2107 nose gear strut on our Legacy. I don’t know if it is the same as Mike’s but I hope it is since it does look simple. The disassembled strut Scott showed us looked more complicated as I recall. Scott’s point was many design changes had been made so upgrades, parts and reassembly is critical.
Speaking of motorcycles, I am restoring a 1983 BMW R80ST. I would like to upgrade the forks with something like a Gold Valve mod. (Off list, any advice?)
Steve
I'm with Mike on this. I should be able to fix my own strut. I did have lancair OH it before I first flew, $800 plus shipping and a couple of weeks down time for the 320-360 . I would like the option of choice .Steve maybe right about many ways to screw it up but so is the rest of the airplane with far more danger. I built the engine from scratch and is a lot more complicated then a strut.
-----Original Message-----
From: marv <marv@lancair.net>
To: lml
Sent: Wed, Sep 25, 2013 12:06 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: Question on Legacy MG Strut
Posted for Mike Larkin <legacyl2k@gmail.com>:
> Steve,
>
> Really, have you ever opened one if these up? I have, it's very basic. A
> modern motorcycle strut is much more complicated. The bottom line is I
> should be able to buy wear parts from Lancair! I should not be told that
> you wont sell me parts you have on hand.
>
> Attached are some interior photos of a nose strut. I have part numbers and
> local suppliers for all the needed wear parts. And I made the special tool
> used to take the strut apart. Total cost $25.
>
> Mike Larkin
>
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>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Steve Colwell <mcmess1919@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m with Colyn on this, if Lancair wants to keep Strut repair in house I
>> don’t think it is about revenue on Struts. At the last Lancair fly-in in
>> Redmond a few years ago, Scott Decker who was the strut specialist, walked
>> us thru the many running changes that had been made. There are a lot of
>> ways to screw up if you do-it-yourself. ****
>>
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>> Steve Colwell Legacy RG****
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>> *From:* Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] *On Behalf Of
>> *Colyn Case
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 25, 2013 7:59 AM
>> *To:* Lancair Mailing List
>> *Subject:* [LML] Re: Undeliverable mail: Re: [LML] Re: Question on Legacy
>> MG Strut****
>>
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>> I'm not sure of all the issues here but I can imagine Lancair needing to
>> make tough decisions where to put their resources. In any case, I suspect
>> more money flows into Lancair from the President than flows out.****
>>
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>> On Sep 25, 2013, at 7:51 AM, Mike's Gmail wrote:****
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>> The funny thing! I use to be able to buy seal kits from Lancair. Now
>> that the President of Lancair owns the landing gear company, you no longer
>> can. In my world we call that a monopoly or conflict of interest. Not
>> very good for business. ****
>>
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>> A hangar mate across the way got so pissed about this he just sold his ES.
>> Said if you can work with the company that made your airplane parts I'm
>> selling, and he did!****
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>> Mike Larkin****
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>> 424LL
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>> Sent from my iPhone****
>>
>>
>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Paul Miller <pjdmiller@gmail.com> wrote:****
>>
>> I found your note on the liability waiver and refusal to provide
>> instructions an interesting position by Lancair. I'd like to expand the
>> topic and make a few comments about owners being able to maintain their
>> aircraft in an airworthy condition. I have personal and group involvement
>> in this matter with certified aircraft.****
>>
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>> For decades the alphabet groups and FAA and manufacturers have been
>> fighting over the FARs that requires type certificated US aircraft
>> manufacturers to make available airworthiness instructions to the "owner"
>> so that the aircraft can be maintained in an airworthy condition at all
>> times. This means instructions, parts availability, CRMs and more. Many
>> manufacturers have gone to extremes to satisfy that requirement.****
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>> Some firms like Airbus do not want to disclose proprietary data and have
>> purposely not adhered to the FARs in this respect and forced owners to
>> overhaul or replace parts at great expense. Those battles continue.
>> Conversely, companies like Beech and Cessna have long made the parts and
>> data available and Cessna will even cross-reference Cessna part numbers for
>> original part numbers so you can go source the original or generic part
>> needed (o-rings, motors, brushes etc). King Air landing gear (for
>> example) is arguably more complex than an ESCO strut but the Beech gear can:
>> ****
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>> a) be exchanged at Beech or****
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>> b) sent to any shop of your choice qualified in that category or****
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>> c) repaired and overhauled in your own hangar.****
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>> That's because Beech makes available to owners and shops all the Component
>> Repair Manuals and instructions needed to accomplish the tasks.****
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>> While Lancairs may be different because of the experimental category,
>> these aircraft must still be maintained in an airworthy condition.
>> Therefore, I would argue that Lancair should make the data available to
>> any owner or shop so that Lancairs can be maintained in an airworthy
>> condition whether it be repairs, overhauls, inspections or whatever is
>> needed to ensure airworthiness. Those procedures and the parts necessary
>> to maintain them are part of what makes the Lancair an airplane--not just
>> the original kit.****
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>> If I were running the ship, I'd do whatever I can to make the operating
>> costs for Lancairs as low as possible. I'd publish and sell a complete set
>> of manuals for overhaul and repair instructions (as TCM does for the
>> engine) plus I'd offer to perform the work in-house as well (if that makes
>> sense). That makes for a very happy owner group and keeps costs under
>> control and allows everyone in the world to maintain an airworthy airplane.
>> ****
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>> It is the owner's airplane, the owner's strut and the owner's
>> responsibility to maintain it in an airworthy condition. The data to keep
>> it airworthy is not proprietary and should not be locked away in someone
>> else's cabinet. That's just wrong.****
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>> I could be wrong but I look forward to comments on that position and I
>> suggest anyone looking to buy any airplane simply ask where all the
>> instructions for continued airworthiness reside. The answers can be
>> revealing.****
>>
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>> Paul****
>>
>> On 24 September 2013 04:19, Valin & Allyson Thorn <thorn@starflight.aero
>> > wrote:****
>>
>> Paul,****
>>
>> Normally this work is done by Lancair and that is their strong
>> preference. We wanted to do it ourselves for its educational value. After
>> some deliberations, Lancair agreed and required us signing a liability
>> waiver and they would provide absolutely no instructions but would sell us
>> the seals.****
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> Mike Larkin
> LarkinAviationConsulting
> LegacyL2K@gmail.com
> 602-770-6054
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