Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #67021
From: Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Lancair 320/360 performance and stability
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:37:30 -0400
To: Lancair Mailing List <lml@lancaironline.net>
How cool is Foreflight?  I put in LOIJ and it actually knew where it was.
Only 4078nm from Greenville,SC where the LOBO Landing 2013 will be starting 10/3!

On Sep 14, 2013, at 11:44 AM, Christian Meier wrote:

Hi Roger,

I'm located in Austria, near airfield LOIJ.

It's an Advanced EFIS 4500EE. It works great!!


Christian

Am 14.09.2013 um 01:30 schrieb Roger Iverin <roger@iverin.com>:

Hi Christian,

Do you mind share!

What country?
And fabrication is your flight instrument showing the weight and balance?

Best regards
Roger Iverin

On 13.09.2013 22:18, Christian Meier wrote:
Hi Chris,

thank you for sharing this interesting reports.
During my flight testing I used accidentally 14° of reflex instead of 7°. I don't have data what the difference in speed between 7° and 14° was.
As far as I remember there was a similar difference between 0° and 7° as yours.
During building I installed a longer flap actuator (200mm) to get the full travel. When my testflying was finished, I installed a phenolic block
to get a hard stop at 7°
I could easily get more then 7° by grinding a bit off....
But then the flap would stick out of the fuselage fairing and this might create more drag... What do you think about this?
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The 3,5" increase from CofG sounds good. 
I have a long engine mount and a heavy engine (IO390), so I extended my mac from 15° to 11° as recommended from Lancair (issue 1/99 page 8)
Having the CofG more forward works nice. My trimtab is smaller as the plans say. So I needed to install the trimspring as well in the elevator pushtube
to preload the system. On ground my elevator stays level due to the spring.

I still have my mtow at 765kg as my inspector was a bit "unflexible". Now I found a way to increase to the factory tested 810kg. I use a 2. cathegory (Utility)
 with 3,6g instead of 4,4g. I tried flying with 850kg and never had a problem with changing in flight characteristics. I even don't reach the original rear CofG 
when flying overloaded.
I the US the builder can set its own mtow, but here in europe it has to be tested in all ways...
I passed my load test at 4,4g with 2350kg on the wings. 
In your opinion, what could be the max mtow for me when I stay in the 3,6g cathegory without doing a new load test. If I could get 840kg I would be more 
than happy. I just have no clue to make some basic calculation to convince my inspector....
Doing a gross weight increase means payinng money to get a test permission and doing the testflying again including:
takoff and landingdistance, climb performance and noise test.
The reason I want to do this, we get more and more ramp checks. I they get me flying 50kg overloaded, I have to throw my copilot out of the plane. My father
will not be happy going back by train ;-)

regards,
Christian

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Am 13.09.2013 um 14:31 schrieb Chris Zavatson <chris_zavatson@yahoo.com>:

N91CZ has been a flying laboratory for most of this year.  Below are links to three reports that may be of interest to the Lancair community, in particular 320/360 flyers.
 
The first takes a look at the effect flap position has on total aircraft drag using the NLF(1)-0215.  The numbers are quite impressive in terms of drag coefficients.  In the end, it looks like we could benefit from a little more reflex beyond -7 degrees.
 
The second report looks at the neutral point differences and static margins of the small and large tail 320/360 models.  A large portion of the document is a tutorial of sorts on longitudinal stability.  It deals only with static stability, but is a good lead-in to the third report.
 
The third report looks at the stability of the 360 MKII in much greater detail.  It include dynamic stability in both cruise and landing configurations, as well as, stick force gradients and elevator effectiveness all the way down to stall speed.
 
 
Chris Zavatson
N91CZ
360std
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