X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 11:44:54 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([98.139.212.163] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTPS id 6475080 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 14 Sep 2013 08:30:01 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.212.163; envelope-from=charliekohler@yahoo.com Received: from [66.196.81.174] by nm4.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2013 12:29:27 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.237] by tm20.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2013 12:29:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1046.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2013 12:29:27 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 226654.51855.bm@omp1046.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 25034 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Sep 2013 12:29:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=l/TK0C49/7M6mVdPslChILHqYHSJpEEwBgpeftuVBVQjLUVVTkIKTeW1jRpijohv/VHip1ee8JvHC2VlL2v7bBPNmQ3jM0L9TxaGYuWNAcGjnveH6xh1p4I51i4QJKTOjscqCjkCF7x1aEJnvfFI61uooZ19yolNIs4D1XpBczk=; X-YMail-OSG: cN6N4F0VM1miaNq4yUMXd6NHVV3mesAfKtrepq_jlznkSMR 1VrurwQKzBcRS93iwsTp_FLSKFk1jpJ.PGDLMqsUwb.MdK1JiLXWs1.lTTnm XAmjNa7QtqZ68RA2CmkpyjDAkmcHlfffBOK7_6cjPXXCxlY3kysauA51_qMC gU0AkanxKmujMp3C0ut5eg4zDh3dJ1tVAM.qZJ7MKVcylM3odqo2hzaTcdkW 4Y_AE6JsxeWe8abXshtrmscbezdqBUjr4aKiniDrgl0oLGKxmDavGeWE3dGQ znrbdXq5XEdaNY5zMZ8QQ4cd5kwIijyLuuusA6RRjCEHnWCdA2CyYc16P_HX oQwcErflowVUfpoZfRKDR4tZcnNMoSf6Lc92_EfLAP9p2k9CHC6eOGX7hBbZ rQxwEcixkAzePhjBFbR4iWFWmGgjgKTLLxqMh3cmJd5f63TJq5fSQPp3urth 0faDuG_ooyZTZof3FTBV2ptzW3z1YIg9U8AIIu.f8srNYWYXw8frIAJG06P. 7UWimcuxs3l2G99D17Ujm1d7qdMikv71FF4kft1L_DHIxaRugDoGjhqX0jEn i7geha._bMu.30D.PXPD72Ih.dIwtSWTG.Zt7Fw-- Received: from [67.8.20.66] by web141702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Sep 2013 05:29:27 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,SmFjawpUaGUgY29uZGl0aW9uIGluc3BlY3Rpb24gcmVxdWlyZW1lbnQgaXMgZ2l2ZW4gaW4geW91ciBPcGVyYXRpbmcgTGltaXRhdGlvbnMuCsKgCiIoMjIpIE5vIHBlcnNvbiBtdXN0IG9wZXJhdGUgdGhpcyBhaXJjcmFmdCB1bmxlc3Mgd2l0aGluIHRoZSBwcmVjZWRpbmcgMTIgY2FsZW5kYXIgbW9udGhzIGl0IGhhcyBoYWQgYSBjb25kaXRpb24gaW5zcGVjdGlvbiBwZXJmb3JtZWQgaW4gYWNjb3JkYW5jZSB3aXRoIHRoZSBzY29wZSBhbmQgZGV0YWlsIG9mIDE0IENGUiBwYXJ0IDQzLCBhcHBlbmRpeCBELCABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.157.561 References: X-Original-Message-ID: <1379161767.23546.YahooMailNeo@web141702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 05:29:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Charlie Kohler Reply-To: Charlie Kohler Subject: Re: [LML] FAA certification X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-17048321-521198818-1379161767=:23546" ---17048321-521198818-1379161767=:23546 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jack=0AThe condition inspection requirement is given in your Operating Limi= tations.=0A=C2=A0=0A"(22) No person must operate this aircraft unless withi= n the preceding 12 calendar months it has had a condition inspection perfor= med in accordance with the scope and detail of 14 CFR part 43, appendix D, = or other FAA-approved programs, and was found to be in a condition for safe= operation. As part of the condition inspection, cockpit instruments must b= e appropriately marked and needed placards installed in accordance with 14 = CFR =C2=A7 91.9. In addition, system-essential controls must be in good con= dition, securely mounted, clearly marked, and provide for ease of operation= . This inspection will be recorded in the aircraft logbook and maintenance = records.If you comply with "14 CFR part 43, appendix D" and no other "FAA a= pproved program" is listed-- =0A=C2=A0=0A(23) Condition inspections must be= recorded in the aircraft logbook and maintenance records showing the follo= wing, or a similarly worded, statement: =E2=80=9CI certify that this aircra= ft has been inspected on [insert date] in accordance with the scope and det= ail of 14 CFR part 43, appendix D, and was found to be in a condition for s= afe operation.=E2=80=9D The entry will include the aircraft=E2=80=99s=C2=A0= =0A=C2=A0=0Atotal time-in-service (cycles if appropriate), and the name, si= gnature, certificate number, and type of certificate held by the person per= forming the inspection."=0A=C2=A0=0Ayou have complied with the=C2=A0minimum= requirement. =0A=C2=A0=0AIt's not as easy for Turbines.=C2=A0 They have to= have their "FSDO approved" inspection program.=0A=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom 8130-2g= =0A=C2=A0"Note: =0Alimitations 22 and 23 of this paragraph for turbine-powe= red amateur-built=0Aaircraft.=0A(24) This aircraft must not be operated unl= ess it is inspected and maintained in=0Aaccordance with an inspection progr= am selected, established, identified, and used as set forth in=0A14 CFR =C2= =A7 91.409(e) through (h). This inspection must be recorded in the aircraft= logbook and maintenance records.=0A=C2=A0=0A(25) Inspections must be recor= ded in the aircraft logbook and maintenance records=0Ashowing the following= , or a similarly worded, statement: =0Ainspected on [insert date] in accord= ance with the scope and detail of the [identify program,=0Atitle] FSDO-appr= oved program dated ________, and found to be in a condition for safe=0Aoper= ation.=E2=80=9D =0Athe name, signature, certificate number, and type of cer= tificate held by the person performing the=0Ainspection."Limitations 24 and= 25 of this paragraph will be issued in lieu of=E2=80=9CI certify that this= aircraft has beenThe entry will include the aircraft=E2=80=99s total time-= in-service (cycles if appropriate), and=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0ACharlie K.=0A= =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jack Morgan =0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net =0ASent: Friday, September 13, = 2013 7:30 PM=0ASubject: [LML] FAA certification=0A=0A=0A=0AAll. =0A=0AThe F= SDO inspector did a good job for me a couple of years ago. He did not requi= re any kind of inspection guide.... only the normal documentation we are al= l familiar with. I agreed with everything he found and was happy for his ex= pertise. He was contacted recently by an RV builder and he advised him he w= as no longer allowed to do inspections because of "sequester cuts". This in= spector is a solid guy and it was obvious he was not buying the government = BS either. I suspect using a DAR now is wise as the FAA management folks ar= e trying to make lives miserable fearing cuts. As usual it will vary by FSD= O.=0A=0AJack Morgan=0A=0A=0AOn Sep 13, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Lancair Mailing L= ist wrote:=0A=0A=0A>>In preparation for my meeting with the FSDO inspector = next Tuesday morning, could one of you possibly share=0A>>=0A>a checklist f= or 320/360 airframe, propeller and engine condition inspection that would t= ypically be used=0A>>=0A>as a guide for annual condition inspection? They a= pparently require such a document.=0A>>=0A>=0A>>=0A>Perhaps our LOBO friend= s have compiled such a checklist?=0A>>=0A>=0A>>=0A>Thanks,=0A>>=0A>=0A>>=0A= >Angier Ames=0A>>=0A>N4ZQ=0A>>=0A>--=0A>>=0A> ---17048321-521198818-1379161767=:23546 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jack
The condition inspection requirement is = given in your Operating Limitations.
 
"(22) No = person must operate this aircraft unless within the preceding 12 calendar m= onths it has had a condition inspection performed in accordance with the sc= ope and detail of 14 CFR part 43, appendix D, or other FAA-approved program= s, and was found to be in a condition for safe operation. As part of the co= ndition inspection, cockpit instruments must be appropriately marked and ne= eded placards installed in accordance with 14 CFR =C2=A7 91.9. In addition,= system-essential controls must be in good condition, securely mounted, cle= arly marked, and provide for ease of operation. This inspection will be rec= orded in the aircraft logbook and maintenance records.
 
(2= 3) Condition inspections must be recorded in the aircraft logbook and maint= enance records showing the following, or a similarly worded, statement: =E2=80=9CI certify that this aircraft has been inspec= ted on [insert date] in accordance with the scope and detail of 14 CFR part= 43, appendix D, and was found to be in a condition for safe operation.=E2= =80=9D The entry will include the aircraft=E2=80=99s <= FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"> 
to= tal time-in-service (cycles if appropriate), and the name, signature, certi= ficate number, and type of certificate held by the person performing the in= spection."
 
If you comply with "14 CFR par= t 43, appendix D" and no other "FAA approved program" is listed--
you have complied with the minimum req= uirement.
 =
It's not as easy for Turbines.  They have to have their "FSDO approv= ed" inspection program.
 
From 8= 130-2g
 =
"Note= : Limi= tations 24 and 25 of this paragraph will be issued in lieu of
limitations 22 and 23 of this paragraph for turbine-power= ed amateur-built
aircraft.
(24) This aircraft must not be operated unless it is insp= ected and maintained in
accordance with an inspection progr= am selected, established, identified, and used as set forth in
14 CFR =C2=A7 91.409(e) through (h)= . This inspection must be recorded in the aircraft logbook and maintenance = records.
 
(25) Inspections must be recorded i= n the aircraft logbook and maintenance records
showing the following, or a similar= ly worded, statement: =E2=80=9CI certify that this aircraft has b= een
inspected on [insert date] in accor= dance with the scope and detail of the [identify program,
title] FSDO-approved program dated = ________, and found to be in a condition for safe
operation.=E2=80=9D The entry will include the= aircraft=E2=80=99s total time-in-service (cycles if appropriate), and
the name, signature, certificate nu= mber, and type of certificate held by the person performing the
inspection."
 
 
Charlie K.
 
 

From: Jack Morgan <jmorgan1023@comcast= .net>
To: lml@lancair= online.net
Sent: Friday= , September 13, 2013 7:30 PM
Subjec= t: [LML] FAA certification

All.

The FSDO inspector did a good job for me a couple of years ago. He did= not require any kind of inspection guide.... only the normal documentation= we are all familiar with. I agreed with everything he found and was happy = for his expertise. He was contacted recently by an RV builder and he advise= d him he was no longer allowed to do inspections because of "sequester cuts= ". This inspector is a solid guy and it was obvious he was not buying the g= overnment BS either. I suspect using a DAR now is wise as the FAA managemen= t folks are trying to make lives miserable fearing cuts. As usual it will v= ary by FSDO.

Jack Morgan

On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:00 AM, Lancair Mailing List wrote:


In preparation for my meeting with the FSDO inspector next Tuesday mornin= g, could one of you possibly share
a checklist for 320/360 airframe, propeller and e= ngine condition inspection that would typically be used
as a guide for annual condition inspection? They = apparently require such a document.

Perhaps our LOBO friends have compiled such a che= cklist?

Thanks,

Angier Ames
N4ZQ
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