X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 18:46:39 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm19-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.91.56] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.6) with ESMTPS id 6460900 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 09 Sep 2013 16:21:30 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.138.91.56; envelope-from=chris_zavatson@yahoo.com Received: from [98.138.101.132] by nm19.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2013 20:20:55 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.11] by tm20.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2013 20:20:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2013 20:20:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 184521.65676.bm@omp1011.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 92821 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Sep 2013 20:20:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=dYOyTydeHl2wLw/2i2q5hCQRNWWicbVRyF92iioo9oADC7y7NMlbMMVfH+EjJfVUetbKORJdEVciH5S73TJz2Uaea5IlwweZtLuKFg/4GdL4xwe8pMKALn8w5VyVy53IfPyW5lkFZvGm1R/SIMs1B7eyBH1uRCvQgFK/G01n8XE=; X-YMail-OSG: uYpiKuMVM1nJOjPPRIeBgtjlJv4xWK.qPomV3UamoreFQnl rXO_P03qUKE2ZCczUr86CoipoHIAyAkooR98RGE_zd3QmG4XnFbBC4tuwRMR Gl4G_W3R1JddbU.CmAAJG296agKlOm5gvuvVfarRW1hrgsdW6j2se510.lvg rxR3YO8X6wQTBvmVlsKDFWo9ZmmU5isOblJlLxDdM4i2GNh64zZFozzg2ov3 Jy_pu.Xu_.sRRENYwjrJIMuW9TfMJGOWYAUJQdqmjAMw.NFl4tVXEXIbrcNF wuvsr5RF3pCADeaXBtwfDxByiICY.lzuYUxUxXWVjNDMXbEfXs2Za9s.wdCB 7cdfKT1a4ApsX2JjuQUHQAfvWCvXzIQBd1U8GXvtrL4RzAjtapiglzj04ao3 3mQkkUh97SBIcsPHFOr5wZJylubIOVRqax.LX_aJFThcIIAsjkdHEpQQH83R hifu7rS0H5st6fGtkIptF4krGA_lG1PhaNdKlOVNJZDpf5LBkg0hT9.ZXj.m .3Dixhe4qOW7uaccjRYmtf4LSA2gP3kGIRy1Vv4t2D69jbLIJg305GkQYN2z f4BIWnMrl5d_YGhTO.mBK8GOPJPENIXAFkFPzfGeMrRqaMVwJKR0NjrhA8Eq Ygrdo_prGet5DyDV8Wv3_ZCR8h7Xq6y_PQLV4K7beKRmH.of6hWmc0m_l4hK Ez9ZLarLWdJLLCIXVCKzK Received: from [172.14.16.72] by web121602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Sep 2013 13:20:50 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,VGhlIHRlcnJhaW4gZmVhdHVyZSBpcyBub3Qgc3VwcG9ydGVkIG9uIHRoZSBpUGFkIDEsIGJ1dCBGb3JlZmxpZ2h0IGl0c2VsZiBpcy4KaHR0cDovL2ZvcmVmbGlnaHQuY29tL2lwYWQvc3BlY2lmaWNhdGlvbnMvCsKgClRoaXMgbGluayB0YWxrcyBhYm91dCBwcm9zIGFuZCBjb25zIG9mIGRpZmZlcmVudCBjdXJyZW50bHkgYXZhaWxhYmxlwqBtb2RlbHMKaHR0cDovL2ZvcmVmbGlnaHQuY29tL3N1cHBvcnQvYnV5aW5nLWd1aWRlCsKgCkkgYW0gaG9waW5nIHRvIGdvIGF0IGxlYXN0IGEgZmV3IG1vcmUgeWVhcnMBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.156.576 References: X-Original-Message-ID: <1378758050.92401.YahooMailNeo@web121602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 13:20:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Zavatson Reply-To: Chris Zavatson Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad overheated & quit! X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-2038480821-88013276-1378758050=:92401" ---2038480821-88013276-1378758050=:92401 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-2038480821-1989109425-1378758050=:92401" ---2038480821-1989109425-1378758050=:92401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The terrain feature is not supported on the iPad 1, but Foreflight itself i= s.=0Ahttp://foreflight.com/ipad/specifications/=0A=C2=A0=0AThis link talks = about pros and cons of different currently available=C2=A0models=0Ahttp://f= oreflight.com/support/buying-guide=0A=C2=A0=0AI am hoping to go at least a = few more years before having to upgrade.=0A=C2=A0=0AChris Zavatson=0AN91CZ,= iPad 1=0A360std=0Ahttp://www.n91cz.net/=0A=C2=A0 =0A=0A___________________= _____________=0A From: PETER WILLIAMS =0ATo: = lml@lancaironline.net =0ASent: Monday, September 9, 2013 4:54 AM=0ASubject:= [LML] Re: iPad overheated & quit!=0A =0A=0A=0A =0Ab=0A=0Ago to settings a= nd make sure that the brightness is set to full bright=0Asettings -> bright= ness & wallpaper -> (set brightness full to the right)=0A=0ABUT=0A=C2=A0=C2= =A0 the ipad 1 is not supported any longer by the latest foreflight app=0A= =0Ap=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0ADate: Sun, 8 Sep 2013 16:43= :46 -0700=0AFrom: billhogarty@gmail.com=0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net=0ASubje= ct: [LML] Re: iPad overheated & quit!=0A=0A=0AI'm enjoying this discussion.= ..=C2=A0 Learning a lot.=C2=A0=C2=A0 But I haven't learned the trick to =0A= using my Ipad 1.=C2=A0 Cant see the display in the cockpit because of sunli= ght.=C2=A0 Installed=0Aa glareshield on the Ipad.=C2=A0 Still cant read the= display in the daylight. =0A=0AObviously, I'm missing something pretty bas= ic.=C2=A0 Can anyone help me out?=0A=0AThanks, Bill Hogarty=0A=0A=0A=0AOn F= ri, Sep 6, 2013 at 8:59 PM, Paul Miller wrote:=0A=0AI= lead nobody astray. =C2=A0 But I suspect you might be optimistic about the= reality of the label of "certified" in day to day use. It's no solution to= potential failure. =C2=A0Having electronics subjected to a battery of ligh= tning and water tests has no bearing on whether they will or will not fail.= =C2=A0They still fail. And they fail without being subjected to lightning = and water too. =C2=A0 Many Garmins go back to the shop for chips, buttons, = screens, knobs, memory and other failures. =C2=A0You can't send one back un= less you shell out more than three iPads! =C2=A0 How economical is that esp= ecially when you look at the cost of deriving that model and delivering it = to the panel?=0A>=0A>Almost every high-cost piece of certified equipment I'= ve owned has failed or required expensive factory repairs or an expensive w= arranty to backstop potential repairs. There aren't many certified manufact= urers that give you a warranty much past the burn in period are there? =C2= =A0 Certified boxes fail and sometimes they aren't even in sunlight when th= ey fail. =C2=A0Cheltons fail, Avidynes fail, Garmins fail. =C2=A0They all f= ail. =C2=A0You are making a silly argument suggesting iPad can't be used in= sunlight. =C2=A0In the same extreme sunlight, I will get my face, arm and = lips burned. =C2=A0It is simply a matter of keeping temps down in a reasona= ble range and out of direct sunlight and that goes for this pilot too. =C2= =A0 Suggesting an iPad "predictably fails" is no different than any other d= evice that exceeds the operating specs. But suggesting they aren't for use = in the cockpit is really over the top Colyn. =C2=A0 Probably hundreds of th= ousands are in use every day in sunlight and they continue to provide the airlines and this pilot much more information= at a small fraction of the cost of the =C2=A0"certified" devices. =C2=A0An= d, they are better. =C2=A0 Having a second in the bag is an affordable and = easy backup.=0A>=0A>These boxes and iPads both have a place. =C2=A0One cost= s an incredible amount and can't be updated easily and the other comes off = the shelf, is inexpensive to own and duplicate and=E2=80=A6is used by the a= irlines. =C2=A0Go figure. =C2=A0An uncertified iPad providing guidance in a= certified jet. =C2=A0Who would have thought?=0A>=0A>If you have stats that= show Garmins or any other brand have an economically better failure rate t= han consumer electronics like the iPad I'd like to see it. I'm betting if y= ou double up on the iPad for an extra $300-$400 your panel device loses in = all categories of reliability and usefulness. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I could be wron= g.=0A>=0A>Paul=0A>=0A>On 2013-09-06, at 5:55 PM, Colyn Case wrote:=0A>=0A>> No that is not an insane comment.=0A>> A Garmin = fails because either you exceeded the fairly stringent environmental specs,= or there was a chip that was in a bad corner of the tolerance matrix, or s= omething else that is statistically fairly low probability.=0A>> An ipad fa= ils reliably because it wasn't designed to sit in the sun.=0A>>=0A>> Having= two garmins definitely lowers the probability of having both fail if they = are in their intended environment.=0A>>=0A>> Having two ipads does nothing = if they are not in their intended environment.=0A>>=0A>> You are leading pe= ople astray if you are implying that the fact that garmins fail sometimes m= akes them no better than an ipad subjected to the same environment.=0A>>=0A= >> On Sep 6, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Paul Miller wrote:=0A>>=0A>> Well that's ju= st an insane comment. =C2=A0Might as well say if I disconnect the cooling a= ir from two Garmins they will both overheat. =C2=A0 So what Colyn?=0A>>=0A>= > Paul=0A>> On 2013-09-06, at 8:49 AM, Colyn Case = wrote:=0A>>=0A>>> kinda.=0A>>> If you put two ipads on your glare shield i= n the sun, likely both will behave the same.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> --=0A>> For arc= hives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html=0A>>= =0A>>=0A>> --=0A>> For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/= lists/lml/List.html=0A>=0A>=0A>--=0A>For archives and unsub http://mail.lan= caironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html=0A> ---2038480821-1989109425-1378758050=:92401 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The terrain feature i= s not supported on the iPad 1, but Foreflight itself is.
<= a href=3D"http://foreflight.com/ipad/specifications/">http://foreflight.com= /ipad/specifications/
 
This link talks about = pros and cons of different currently available models
 
I am hoping to go at least = a few more years before having to upgrade.
 
Chris= Zavatson
N91CZ, iPad 1
360std
 
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To: lml@lancaironline.net
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