X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 15:30:22 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-pa0-f43.google.com ([209.85.220.43] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.6) with ESMTPS id 6460769 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 09 Sep 2013 15:07:18 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.220.43; envelope-from=pjdmiller@gmail.com Received: by mail-pa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id hz10so6650780pad.16 for ; Mon, 09 Sep 2013 12:06:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.68.232.225 with SMTP id tr1mr4880381pbc.143.1378753602336; Mon, 09 Sep 2013 12:06:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.143] (S010620aa4b008706.cg.shawcable.net. [174.0.112.194]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id yo2sm19277834pab.8.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Sep 2013 12:06:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Miller Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B32CC921-57CC-4C6E-98EA-347537432306" Subject: Opening up panel data to uncertified devices X-Original-Message-Id: <9C933AA0-8693-4676-9797-97F5454110F0@gmail.com> X-Original-Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 13:06:38 -0600 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) --Apple-Mail=_B32CC921-57CC-4C6E-98EA-347537432306 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm just dreamin in this email. But, this Shadin news item could never = have been dreamed about 5 years ago. A non-certified box connecting to = the data buss on certified installations. It means that we have one-way data from our panels to the iPad and = probably other pads later. It means developers can access the nav, = fuel, ils, autopilot and other data and make recommendations to a pilot = or log events with apps or programs that can get changed or updated = without expensive certification. It means, for example, I could have = the iPad provide a more comprehensive fuel estimate for a turbine using = descent profiles and expected times at altitudes versus the normal = time-and-distance calculations that comes off a panel box today. I think this is where we could go: Picture a Lancair with a Tru-Trak = and a simple WAAS GPS built in. The [iPad or whatever] brings in the = charts, nav data, routing, weather and all the current external data to = complete the flight. The [iPad] snaps into the panel before flight and = automagically loads the panel with nav and radio data much like the G696 = can upload flightplans to the GNS boxes today. It loads the tru-Trak = GPS with the [iPad] flight plan. The tru-trak flies, navigates but the = [iPad] displays all the charts, freqs and nav logs and even autoloads = the radios with frequencies. My backup is my primary instrumentation = [6-pack, GNS, whatever is currently installed]. =20 I think its reasonable because we're able to bring those charts and data = into the cockpit on that device today and its legal. If we can ever = communicate into the panel that will be the ultimate goal. It would = remove the need for a GNS430, GTN-xxx or whatever certified box we have = in our uncertified airplanes. You would just need a WAAS gps module = somewhere in the loop (or two or three since they would be cheap). = Garmin might even come out with a single uncertified radio that combines = all those features and is capable of accepting uploads. It might also = mean paying a silly price for data could be going away since we bring it = in fresh every flight. We no longer need to load and store expensive = navdata on every Garmin or Chelton. The primary pilot interface might be an inexpensive and highly capable = device leaving us with radios and autopilots as they are today to = actually fly and communicate. Our backups might also be inexpensive and = highly reliable devices as well. --Apple-Mail=_B32CC921-57CC-4C6E-98EA-347537432306 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I'm = just dreamin in this email.   But, this Shadin ne= ws item could never have been dreamed about 5 years ago. =  A non-certified box connecting to the data buss on certified = installations.

It means that we have one-way data = from our panels to the iPad and probably other pads later.   It = means developers can access the nav, fuel, ils, autopilot and other data = and make recommendations to a pilot or log events with apps or programs = that can get changed or updated without expensive certification.   = It means, for example, I could have the iPad provide a more = comprehensive fuel estimate for a turbine using descent profiles and = expected times at altitudes versus the normal time-and-distance = calculations that comes off a panel box = today.

I think this is where we could go: =   Picture a Lancair with a Tru-Trak and a simple WAAS GPS built in. =  The [iPad or whatever] brings in the charts, nav data, routing, = weather and all the current external data to complete the flight. =  The [iPad] snaps into the panel before flight and automagically = loads the panel with nav and radio data much like the G696 can upload = flightplans to the GNS boxes today.  It loads the tru-Trak GPS with = the [iPad] flight plan.   The tru-trak flies, navigates but the = [iPad] displays all the charts, freqs and nav logs and even autoloads = the radios with frequencies.  My backup is my primary = instrumentation [6-pack, GNS, whatever is currently installed]. =   

I think its reasonable because = we're able to bring those charts and data into the cockpit on that = device today and its legal.   If we can ever communicate into the = panel that will be the ultimate goal.  It would remove the need for = a GNS430, GTN-xxx or whatever certified box we have in our uncertified = airplanes.  You would just need a WAAS gps module somewhere in the = loop (or two or three since they would be cheap).  Garmin might = even come out with a single uncertified radio that combines all those = features and is capable of accepting uploads.   It might also mean = paying a silly price for data could be going away since we bring it in = fresh every flight.  We no longer need to load and store expensive = navdata on every Garmin or Chelton.

The primary = pilot interface might be an inexpensive and highly capable device = leaving us with radios and autopilots as they are today to actually fly = and communicate.  Our backups might also be inexpensive and highly = reliable devices as = well.



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