X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2013 11:07:26 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from col0-omc3-s9.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.147] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.6) with ESMTP id 6460250 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 09 Sep 2013 10:58:04 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.34.147; envelope-from=peterpawaviation@hotmail.com Received: from COL129-W73 ([65.55.34.136]) by col0-omc3-s9.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 9 Sep 2013 07:57:29 -0700 X-TMN: [oL20imgxSFHnwZ8PQJwDKJRahdW46zmB] X-Originating-Email: [peterpawaviation@hotmail.com] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: peterpawaviation@hotmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9dfaeb6f-19d0-4594-8d66-aeb7e8620a0b_" From: PETER WILLIAMS X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: TOO MUCH SUN & iPad overheat X-Original-Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 10:57:29 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2013 14:57:29.0633 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7BD2910:01CEAD6C] --_9dfaeb6f-19d0-4594-8d66-aeb7e8620a0b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable G When i first got my 4P it did not sun shades and it was quite unpleasant on= occasion. i use the cling sun shades with a lot of success http://www.sportys.com/source/features/search/search.cfm?catalog=3DPilotSho= p&question=3DSUN+SHADE peter To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon=2C 9 Sep 2013 07:54:44 -0400 From: gw5@me.com Subject: [LML] Re: iPad overheated & quit! I would be interested in this too. My main problem is that our interior is= not finished yet so I don't have sun shades or visors. The other part of = my problem is that I am still using ForeFlight on my first generation iPad.= I have heard that the newer generation iPads have a much brighter display= . I would also be curious to know if anyone is using ForeFlight on the iPad m= ini? =20 In our situation=2C I like using the MX-20 (receiving data from a GNS430W) = for real-time navigation=2C terrain=2C traffic avoidance=2C and airspace po= sitioning. I am predisposed to using my iPad for flight planning=2C filing= flight plans (when wifi connected)=2C enroute charts=2C approach plates=2C= and taxi diagrams (parking close to the FBO/Restaurant).=20 So=2C I guess for me=2C I am looking at the mini or at least a newer versio= n of the iPad as I know the processor is starting to bog down because the a= pps such as ForeFlight are utilizing so much more data. George=20 On Sep 9=2C 2013=2C at 4:13 AM=2C "William A. Hogarty" wrote:I'm enjoying this discussion... Learning a lot. But I haven't = learned the trick to using my Ipad 1. Cant see the display in the cockpit = because of sunlight. Installeda glareshield on the Ipad. Still cant read = the display in the daylight.=0A= Obviously=2C I'm missing something pretty basic. Can anyone help me out? = Thanks=2C Bill Hogarty On Fri=2C Sep 6=2C 2013 at 8:59 PM=2C Paul Miller wro= te: =0A= I lead nobody astray. But I suspect you might be optimistic about the rea= lity of the label of "certified" in day to day use. It's no solution to pot= ential failure. Having electronics subjected to a battery of lightning and= water tests has no bearing on whether they will or will not fail. They st= ill fail. And they fail without being subjected to lightning and water too.= Many Garmins go back to the shop for chips=2C buttons=2C screens=2C knob= s=2C memory and other failures. You can't send one back unless you shell o= ut more than three iPads! How economical is that especially when you look= at the cost of deriving that model and delivering it to the panel? =0A= =0A= =0A= Almost every high-cost piece of certified equipment I've owned has failed o= r required expensive factory repairs or an expensive warranty to backstop p= otential repairs. There aren't many certified manufacturers that give you a= warranty much past the burn in period are there? Certified boxes fail an= d sometimes they aren't even in sunlight when they fail. Cheltons fail=2C = Avidynes fail=2C Garmins fail. They all fail. You are making a silly argu= ment suggesting iPad can't be used in sunlight. In the same extreme sunlig= ht=2C I will get my face=2C arm and lips burned. It is simply a matter of = keeping temps down in a reasonable range and out of direct sunlight and tha= t goes for this pilot too. Suggesting an iPad "predictably fails" is no d= ifferent than any other device that exceeds the operating specs. But sugges= ting they aren't for use in the cockpit is really over the top Colyn. Pro= bably hundreds of thousands are in use every day in sunlight and they conti= nue to provide the airlines and this pilot much more information at a small= fraction of the cost of the "certified" devices. And=2C they are better.= Having a second in the bag is an affordable and easy backup. =0A= =0A= =0A= These boxes and iPads both have a place. One costs an incredible amount an= d can't be updated easily and the other comes off the shelf=2C is inexpensi= ve to own and duplicate and=85is used by the airlines. Go figure. An unce= rtified iPad providing guidance in a certified jet. Who would have thought= ? =0A= =0A= =0A= If you have stats that show Garmins or any other brand have an economically= better failure rate than consumer electronics like the iPad I'd like to se= e it. I'm betting if you double up on the iPad for an extra $300-$400 your = panel device loses in all categories of reliability and usefulness. I c= ould be wrong. =0A= =0A= =0A= Paul =0A= =0A= On 2013-09-06=2C at 5:55 PM=2C Colyn Case wrote: =0A= =0A= > No that is not an insane comment. =0A= > A Garmin fails because either you exceeded the fairly stringent environme= ntal specs=2C or there was a chip that was in a bad corner of the tolerance= matrix=2C or something else that is statistically fairly low probability. =0A= =0A= > An ipad fails reliably because it wasn't designed to sit in the sun. =0A= > =0A= > Having two garmins definitely lowers the probability of having both fail = if they are in their intended environment. =0A= > =0A= > Having two ipads does nothing if they are not in their intended environme= nt. =0A= > =0A= > You are leading people astray if you are implying that the fact that garm= ins fail sometimes makes them no better than an ipad subjected to the same = environment. =0A= > =0A= > On Sep 6=2C 2013=2C at 11:31 AM=2C Paul Miller wrote: =0A= > =0A= > Well that's just an insane comment. Might as well say if I disconnect th= e cooling air from two Garmins they will both overheat. So what Colyn? =0A= > =0A= > Paul =0A= > On 2013-09-06=2C at 8:49 AM=2C Colyn Case wrote= : =0A= > =0A= >> kinda. =0A= >> If you put two ipads on your glare shield in the sun=2C likely both will= behave the same. =0A= > =0A= > =0A= > -- =0A= > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.ht= ml =0A= > =0A= > =0A= > -- =0A= > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.ht= ml =0A= =0A= =0A= -- =0A= For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html =0A= =0A= = --_9dfaeb6f-19d0-4594-8d66-aeb7e8620a0b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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When i first got my 4P = it did not sun shades and it was quite unpleasant on occasion.

i use= the cling sun shades with a lot of success

http://www.sportys.com/source/features/s= earch/search.cfm?catalog=3DPilotShop&=3Bquestion=3DSUN+SHADE

= peter

To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date= : Mon=2C 9 Sep 2013 07:54:44 -0400
From: gw5@me.com
Subject: [LML] Re= : iPad overheated &=3B quit!

I would be interested in this too. &= nbsp=3BMy main problem is that our interior is not finished yet so I don't = have sun shades or visors.  =3BThe other part of my problem is that I a= m still using ForeFlight on my first generation iPad.  =3BI have heard = that the newer generation iPads have a much brighter display.

I would also be curious to know if anyone is using ForeFlight on the = iPad mini?  =3B

In our situation=2C I like usi= ng the MX-20 (receiving data from a GNS430W) for real-time navigation=2C te= rrain=2C traffic avoidance=2C and airspace positioning.  =3BI am predis= posed to using my iPad for flight planning=2C filing flight plans (when wif= i connected)=2C enroute charts=2C approach plates=2C and taxi diagrams (par= king close to the FBO/Restaurant). =3B

So=2C I= guess for me=2C I am looking at the mini or at least a newer version of th= e iPad as I know the processor is starting to bog down because the apps suc= h as ForeFlight are utilizing so much more data.

G= eorge =3B


On Sep 9=2C 2013=2C at= 4:13 AM=2C "William A. Hogarty" <=3Bbillhogarty@gmail.com>=3B wrote:

I'm enjoying this discus= sion... =3B Learning a lot. =3B =3B But I haven't learned the t= rick to
using my Ipad 1. =3B Cant see the display in the coc= kpit because of sunlight. =3B Installed
a glareshield on the = Ipad. =3B Still cant read the display in the daylight.
=0A=
 =3B
Obviously=2C I'm missing something pretty basic.&nb= sp=3B Can anyone help me out?
 =3B
Thanks=2C Bill H= ogarty


On Fri=2C Sep 6=2C 2013 at 8:59 PM=2C Paul Miller <=3Bpjdmille= r@gmail.com>=3B wrote:
=0A=
I lead nobody astray.  =3B But I suspect you might= be optimistic about the reality of the label of "certified" in day to day = use. It's no solution to potential failure.  =3BHaving electronics subj= ected to a battery of lightning and water tests has no bearing on whether t= hey will or will not fail.  =3BThey still fail. And they fail without b= eing subjected to lightning and water too.  =3B Many Garmins go back to= the shop for chips=2C buttons=2C screens=2C knobs=2C memory and other fail= ures.  =3BYou can't send one back unless you shell out more than three = iPads!  =3B How economical is that especially when you look at the cost= of deriving that model and delivering it to the panel?
=0A= =0A=
=0A= Almost every high-cost piece of certified equipment I've owned has failed o= r required expensive factory repairs or an expensive warranty to backstop p= otential repairs. There aren't many certified manufacturers that give you a= warranty much past the burn in period are there?  =3B Certified boxes = fail and sometimes they aren't even in sunlight when they fail.  =3BChe= ltons fail=2C Avidynes fail=2C Garmins fail.  =3BThey all fail.  = =3BYou are making a silly argument suggesting iPad can't be used in sunligh= t.  =3BIn the same extreme sunlight=2C I will get my face=2C arm and li= ps burned.  =3BIt is simply a matter of keeping temps down in a reasona= ble range and out of direct sunlight and that goes for this pilot too. &nbs= p=3B Suggesting an iPad "predictably fails" is no different than any other = device that exceeds the operating specs. But suggesting they aren't for use= in the cockpit is really over the top Colyn.  =3B Probably hundreds of= thousands are in use every day in sunlight and they continue to provide th= e airlines and this pilot much more information at a small fraction of the = cost of the  =3B"certified" devices.  =3BAnd=2C they are better. &n= bsp=3B Having a second in the bag is an affordable and easy backup.
=0A= =0A=
=0A= These boxes and iPads both have a place.  =3BOne costs an incredible am= ount and can't be updated easily and the other comes off the shelf=2C is in= expensive to own and duplicate and=85is used by the airlines.  =3BGo fi= gure.  =3BAn uncertified iPad providing guidance in a certified jet. &n= bsp=3BWho would have thought?
=0A= =0A=
=0A= If you have stats that show Garmins or any other brand have an economically= better failure rate than consumer electronics like the iPad I'd like to se= e it. I'm betting if you double up on the iPad for an extra $300-$400 your = panel device loses in all categories of reliability and usefulness.  = =3B  =3B I could be wrong.
=0A= =0A=
=0A= Paul
=0A=
=0A= On 2013-09-06=2C at 5:55 PM=2C Colyn Case <=3Bcolyncase@earthlink.net>=3B wrote:
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=0A= >=3B No that is not an insane comment.
=0A= >=3B A Garmin fails because either you exceeded the fairly stringent envi= ronmental specs=2C or there was a chip that was in a bad corner of the tole= rance matrix=2C or something else that is statistically fairly low probabil= ity.
=0A= =0A= >=3B An ipad fails reliably because it wasn't designed to sit in the sun.=
=0A= >=3B
=0A= >=3B Having two garmins definitely lowers the probability of having both = fail if they are in their intended environment.
=0A= >=3B
=0A= >=3B Having two ipads does nothing if they are not in their intended envi= ronment.
=0A= >=3B
=0A= >=3B You are leading people astray if you are implying that the fact that= garmins fail sometimes makes them no better than an ipad subjected to the = same environment.
=0A= >=3B
=0A= >=3B On Sep 6=2C 2013=2C at 11:31 AM=2C Paul Miller wrote:
=0A= >=3B
=0A= >=3B Well that's just an insane comment.  =3BMight as well say if I d= isconnect the cooling air from two Garmins they will both overheat.  = =3B So what Colyn?
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=0A= >=3B Paul
=0A= >=3B On 2013-09-06=2C at 8:49 AM=2C Colyn Case <=3Bcolyncase@earthlink.net>=3B wrote:
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=0A= >=3B>=3B kinda.
=0A= >=3B>=3B If you put two ipads on your glare shield in the sun=2C likely= both will behave the same.
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