X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 07:47:28 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm23.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.150] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 6083430 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:21:32 -0500 Received-SPF: neutral receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.150; envelope-from=ralphlove@stanfordalumni.org Received: from [98.139.44.97] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2013 23:20:57 -0000 Received: from [67.195.15.62] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2013 23:20:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Feb 2013 23:20:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 822360.17414.bm@smtp103.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 2C5zFioVM1muSyWtPjIN4fUnUm4N_Bv2R0qYFOI.6U5F8xY OjAvxGllY1vG4uOBGG1rqqaYXTXhduoIjkSLbhTLN6akkWTTbM4wz_etRWqr 1W9aP5rirXqBAgGK7JWk5.X4y7d_7KGXxBTMitP8k87_tMme_cKizu9adQFU dJs7d8hWI_UMCTMvqM0qxYVL6GrIggYiznMPMZcOxiFOHnLqs6XUtb2CO85f ax16t18LRJL7IcKOHPSk0hgltf6MPR6KrgabEy39qjWmL49PwH2aYdYaYk9z LUTqSWZfn4NtCW95VQ94K0ZpqguK0GA4uy3DAAuf95q_DElQEoRmf88Iq_LK EexT0QwQ8s3gHbB5a5Bdj19Xwt5DFJkODtPLEFnqARDRWyWeeREJum4jVS_I pQJZIW0Z3ebiMHkw4YeUxg5M2EaoGu57aEU4j92rLf1xp7cQXsyQiJGRZp6f B9lDzIDHY.AP_zQVVdsa9w0LxED6yDgrX3HqhOom4b6gKksqoGzzO69KeeaV gO_O4SVlZYpftT4YmQiaZ7D_EQXnYdRVl9i8WalwTIznDIRdQLHIHhJ6ckNp DcNuypRglA9F_1G8t6XC0O5nj2sbn1VhHlhR8Hur8e0.9gOoYJKdnLg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O0s9NnaswBCimploNHufwcJQi58B5NjMy.C2WAjfZjgmjJOd Received: from [10.0.1.5] (ralphlove@67.188.62.229 with plain) by smtp103.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2013 15:20:56 -0800 PST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Legacy seat cushions/Knee clearance References: From: Ralph Love Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-B521049A-8D05-4BD8-BF85-9CA56DED184D X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10B146) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-Id: <741F3DF2-24E2-4355-9FE4-7CFCE518C0B5@stanfordalumni.org> X-Original-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:20:56 -0800 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-B521049A-8D05-4BD8-BF85-9CA56DED184D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But beware, Mark Mankhe considers the floor panel part of the structural int= egrity of the plane. In my case we cut the panels in half to maintain the st= ructural benefit but I can now get my heels on the floor. I installed the ov= erhanging rudder pedals from the fixed gear Legacy(I think) which can only b= e adjusted on the ground with some effort. Ralph Love Pink Panther On Feb 25, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Ron Jones wrote: > Another mod that helps GREATLY with shin clearance are the Thorn Rudder Pe= dals. These allow you to remove the now unneeded raised floor panels. The im= provement in leg room is nothing short of dramatic. You wouldn't think that o= nly lowering the floor a couple inches would be so significant, but it truly= is. The genesis of this product was to find enough leg room for taller pilo= ts, but even average height folks will like it. >=20 > Of course, this project is easier if done while building. Still, I did it a= fter the fact, and I am really, really pleased with it. The ability to stret= ch one's legs (all the way to the firewall) makes a huge difference on long f= lights. You can even cross your legs. I could NEVER do this before installin= g these rudder pedals. Now, my Legacy has fantastic looks, visibility, speed= , handling, efficiency, and it is COMFORTABLE!=20 >=20 > Sufficient leg room is like the final (only?) design issue that needed to b= e addressed. These rudder pedals totally take care of that last remaining it= em. >=20 > Ron Jones > Legacy >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Feb 22, 2013, at 1:50 PM, Steve Colwell wrote: >=20 >> The minimum behind your cheeks seat clearance can be obtained with Oregon= Aero=E2=80=99s custom fit, computer cut, temper foam cushions for the Legac= y. The shape of the aft spar/seat pan is more complex than most upholstery s= hops can fit. Several Legacies have been refitted with the Oregon Aero cush= ions for comfort alone. http://www.oregonaero.com/products/lancair-legacy-un= -upholstered-cushion-core Not cheap, but less expensive than doing it twic= e. >> =20 >> Steve Colwell Legacy >> =20 >> I agree. Removing the back seat cushion is SOP when chauffeuring anyone o= ver ~6'2" >>=20 >> Joe Czabaranek >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Excuse me if I am telling you something you already know=E2=80=A6 but my e= xperience is that a thinner seat BACK had a much great impact on the knee-to= -panel clearance. My initial experiments with seat bottom cushion were disa= ppoint, and then one day I modified the seat back cushion and my situation w= as greatly improved.=20 >> =20 >> Matt >=20 --Apple-Mail-B521049A-8D05-4BD8-BF85-9CA56DED184D Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
But beware, Mark Mankhe considers the f= loor panel part of the structural integrity of the plane. In my case we cut t= he panels in half to maintain the structural benefit but I can now get my he= els on the floor. I installed the overhanging rudder pedals from the fixed g= ear Legacy(I think) which can only be adjusted on the ground with some effor= t.

Ralph Love
Pink Panther

= On Feb 25, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Ron Jones <rjones2000@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Another mod that helps GREATLY w= ith shin clearance are the Thorn Rudder Pedals. These allow you to remove th= e now unneeded raised floor panels. The improvement in leg room is nothing s= hort of dramatic. You wouldn't think that only lowering the floor a couple i= nches would be so significant, but it truly is. The genesis of this product w= as to find enough leg room for taller pilots, but even average height folks w= ill like it.

Of course, this project is easier if done wh= ile building. Still, I did it after the fact, and I am really, really please= d with it. The ability to stretch one's legs (all the way to the firewall) m= akes a huge difference on long flights. You can even cross your legs. I coul= d NEVER do this before installing these rudder pedals. Now, my Legacy has fa= ntastic looks, visibility, speed, handling, efficiency, and it is COMFORTABL= E! 

Sufficient leg room is like the final (onl= y?) design issue that needed to be addressed. These rudder pedals totally ta= ke care of that last remaining item.

Ron Jones
<= div>Legacy



On Feb 22, 20= 13, at 1:50 PM, Steve Colwell wrote:

<= div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bo= ttom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">The minimum behind your cheeks seat c= learance can be obtained with Oregon Aero=E2=80=99s custom fit, computer cut= , temper foam cushions for the Legacy.  The shape of the aft spar/seat p= an is more complex than most upholstery shops can fit.  Several Legacie= s have been refitted with the Oregon Aero cushions for comfort alone. http://www.oregonaero.com/products/lancair= -legacy-un-upholstered-cushion-core   Not cheap, but less expe= nsive than doing it twice.
 
Steve Colwell  Legacy
 
I agree.  Removing the ba= ck seat cushion is SOP when chauffeuring anyone over ~6'2"

Joe Czabar= anek



= Excuse me if I am telling you something you already know=E2=80=A6 but my exp= erience is that a thinner seat BACK had a much great impact on the knee-to-p= anel clearance.  My initial experiments with seat bottom cushion were d= isappoint, and then one day I modified the seat back cushion and my situatio= n was greatly improved. 
 
Matt
 

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