X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 07:43:00 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-ve0-f171.google.com ([209.85.128.171] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 6076086 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:06:39 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.128.171; envelope-from=joeczabaranek@gmail.com Received: by mail-ve0-f171.google.com with SMTP id b10so8350757vea.30 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:06:05 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.52.88.197 with SMTP id bi5mr28295964vdb.58.1361469960290; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:06:00 -0800 (PST) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [10.190.123.21] (197.sub-70-199-96.myvzw.com. [70.199.96.197]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q5sm85205103vdj.5.2013.02.21.10.05.58 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:05:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: G900 and Sorcerer References: From: Joseph Czabaranek Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6EDC96E7-F987-4BD4-858F-32CB3A9E1936 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A551) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-Id: <3593C9FC-F051-4D0F-BEB1-FE3AD62CC0B1@gmail.com> X-Original-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 13:05:56 -0500 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-6EDC96E7-F987-4BD4-858F-32CB3A9E1936 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree. Removing the back seat cushion is SOP when chauffeuring anyone ove= r ~6'2" Joe Czabaranek On Feb 21, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Matt Hapgood wr= ote: > Charlie, >=20 > Excuse me if I am telling you something you already know=E2=80=A6 but my e= xperience is that a thinner seat BACK had a much great impact on the knee-to= -panel clearance. My initial experiments with seat bottom cushion were disa= ppoint, and then one day I modified the seat back cushion and my situation w= as greatly improved.=20 >=20 > Matt >=20 > From: Charles Brown < > > Reply-To: Lancair List > Date: Thursday, February 21, 2013 7:42 AM > To: Lancair List > Subject: [LML] Re: G900 and Sorcerer >=20 > Jon makes a very good point that I had forgotten, about structure. The La= ncair panel blank with huge cutouts for the displays and audio panel, and th= e LRU rack, truly lack any significant structural strength and if simply res= ted on the center console and the sidewall mounts, I feel sure it would flex= a lot in steep turns or turbulence. I designed a support consisting of two= struts mounted on the center console at the nosewheel tunnel, supporting a h= orizontal aluminum angle/beam that supports the LRU rack. And there's a rub= ber pad on the upper side of the angle for vibration isolation. Pic enclose= d. I have not had any issues with panel flex or vibration. (not sure anyon= e else has either; just saying mine happens to work) -- Charley > Second pic enclosed -- initial fit check. Note that the panel is as far f= orward as possible on the center console, and still my knees barely clear. I= t's worse with typical seat pads. My passengers' knees have hit the autopil= ot up/down switch on occasion, which is REALLY interesting when it happens o= n a coupled approach. This is a go-around signal (whether you hit up OR dow= n) and the Sorceror immed commands 500 fpm climb. >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Feb 20, 2013, at 7:28 PM, Jon Socolof wrote: >=20 > ...It=E2=80=99s heavy for a Legacy and requires a lot of thought to suppor= t the panel. ... > =20 > Jon >=20 --Apple-Mail-6EDC96E7-F987-4BD4-858F-32CB3A9E1936 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree.  Removing the back seat c= ushion is SOP when chauffeuring anyone over ~6'2"

Joe Czabaranek

On Feb 21, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Matt Hapgood <matt.hapgood@alumni.duke.edu> wrote:
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Charlie,
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Excuse me if I am telling you something you already know=E2=80= =A6 but my experience is that a thinner seat BACK had a much great impact on= the knee-to-panel clearance.  My initial experiments with seat bottom c= ushion were disappoint, and then one day I modified the seat back cushion an= d my situation was greatly improved. 

Matt

<= div style=3D"font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:bla= ck; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0i= n; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BOR= DER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt">From:= Charles Brown < >
Reply-To: <= /span> Lancair List <lml@lancair= online.net>
Date: Thursda= y, February 21, 2013 7:42 AM
To: = Lancair List <lml@lancaironline= .net>
Subject: [LML] Re: G= 900 and Sorcerer

Jon makes a very good point that I had forgotte= n, about structure.  The Lancair panel blank with huge cutouts for the d= isplays and audio panel, and the LRU rack, truly lack any significant struct= ural strength and if simply rested on the center console and the sidewall mo= unts, I feel sure it would flex a lot in steep turns or turbulence.  I d= esigned a support consisting of two struts mounted on the center console at t= he nosewheel tunnel, supporting a horizontal aluminum angle/beam that suppor= ts the LRU rack.  And there's a rubber pad on the upper side of the ang= le for vibration isolation.  Pic enclosed.  I have not had any iss= ues with panel flex or vibration.  (not sure anyone else has either; ju= st saying mine happens to work)  -- Charley
Second pic enclos= ed -- initial fit check.  Note that the panel is as far forward as poss= ible on the center console, and still my knees barely clear.  It's wors= e with typical seat pads.  My passengers' knees have hit the autopilot u= p/down switch on occasion, which is REALLY interesting when it happens on a c= oupled approach.  This is a go-around signal (whether you hit up OR dow= n) and the Sorceror immed commands 500 fpm climb.

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On Feb 20, 2013, at 7:28 PM, J= on Socolof wrote:

...It=E2=80=99s heavy for a Legacy and requires a lot of thou= ght to support the panel. ...
 
Jon

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