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From: Andres Katz <bu131@swbell.net>
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Of course they don't, I use steep angles because I am familiar with formatio=
n flying (15 years of T-6 with the CAF buddies) so I am very used to doing i=
t that way, if you have a shallow angle the turn is very wide and you risk m=
isjudging the point of landing. But is all based on throttle off, dirty airp=
lane and using only elevators and turn to reach point X. It can be done with=
 precision and there is a lot of room for correction as long as you don't go=
 too far out in the turn from the threshold and end up short. The added adva=
ntage is that once you become familiar with the attitude the speed should be=
 constant in the turn, if not something is wrong. For instance my T-6 is rea=
lly an snj-5 and the flap lever cycles for 2-3 seconds and sometimes the fla=
ps (or the gear) does not come down - a common occurrence- but remember I ha=
ve a lot of altitude to bleed out in the turn and always it should be 90 kno=
ts, if the speed shows 110 120 something is wrong a quick look at the settin=
gs and the plane is telling you that something is out of whack. It's all pra=
ctice, practice and practice. But when learned how to do it correctly you ca=
n grease it down and the roll is very short because you reach the ground at t=
he 3 point position. Also the plane in the overhead turn should be trimmed w=
ay down so that you can almost let go of the controls and the plane continue=
s with a smooth turn.=20

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On Jan 2, 2013, at 8:46 PM, Charles Brown <browncc1@verizon.net> wrote:

> Andres -- just out of curiosity...  does Hipat actually encourage steep ba=
nk angles during these turns, or do you mean that the airplane's *descending=
* at a steep angle (and the bank angles are fairly normal, like 30 deg)?  --=
 Charley Brown
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> On Jan 2, 2013, at 8:45 AM, Andres Katz wrote:
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> And I forgot that
> Hipat training when an engine failure occurs is to get into position alpha=
 then beta and then overhead 360 with everything down flaps high pitch prop,=
 gear down and STEEP 90 degree turn to the numbers keeping the appropriate s=
peed (120 kts in IV-P and EVO, 90 knots in a T -6) so when your engine fails=
 and you have the airport in sight with adequate altitude what are you going=
 to do? Avoid steep turns ? I can see the crash short of the threshold or at=
 the end of the runway, maybe pete Zacagnino can give you some tips on the a=
bove
> Join lobo and get hipat training. Tell jeff I sent you
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> Sent from my iPad
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