X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 21:46:18 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from b.mail.sonic.net ([64.142.19.5] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 5992365 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 19:49:41 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.142.19.5; envelope-from=superdmp@sonic.net Received: from Burner (rrcs-71-43-149-195.se.biz.rr.com [71.43.149.195]) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id r030n5st015919 for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:49:06 -0800 From: "David M. Powell CRFA" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: stalls X-Original-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 19:48:29 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <179A91BDDAE44C71935A956F670AB6F5@Burner> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01CDE922.242C3810" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18263 Thread-Index: Ac3o9+MzMavjbXV7TL219c6SL4ekcgAU3Ogg This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01CDE922.242C3810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hadn't actually considered an AOA vane. I think I may be discussing that with my Lancair guru instructor next time I take him to lunch. I do practice steep turns, but generally don't do them in the pattern (I have once in the pattern to avoid an unexpected squall right over the final leg). I can't imagine flying my Lancair without steep turns at altitude though! Thanx for the tip on the AOA vane! Dave _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Terrence O'Neill Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:46 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: stalls Why -- WHY? - don't you guys just make yourselves a simple AOA vane that you can watch when flying at high AOAs? Is you life worth having your planes look 'pretty'? I have been making steep turns on Final for 40 years, with my AOA vane.,, no sweat! Terrence On Jan 2, 2013, at 7:11 AM, David M. Powell CRFA wrote: I have made the decision prior to purchasing to avoid stalls altogether in my 360. After reading the stall and stall spin accident information, I just don't think it's worth the risk. On take-off, I stay in ground effect for the half second it takes to make it into the green after wheels up; on landing, I approach well above stall for my flap configuration, and let the speed bleed off only a few feet above the threshold. During normal flight, I don't even get near a typical slow flight speed. Too many variables in a home built airplane with no precise envelope, a header tank that is PROBABLY where I think it is, but could be off by 30 or 40 pounds if the gauge is stuck; possible extra wait in the tail area (water retention after heavy rain). _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Gray Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 9:43 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] stalls Colyn, As I said, AVOID STEEP TURNS IN THE PATTERN. If you are flying low under the hood, I hope you have a well qualified safety pilot No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5980 - Release Date: 12/23/12 Internal Virus Database is out of date. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5980 - Release Date: 12/23/12 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01CDE922.242C3810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I hadn't actually considered an AOA vane. I = think I may=20 be discussing that with my Lancair guru instructor next time I take him = to=20 lunch. I do practice steep turns, but generally don't do them in = the=20 pattern (I have once in the pattern to avoid an unexpected squall right = over the=20 final leg). I can't imagine flying my Lancair without steep turns = at=20 altitude though!

Thanx for the tip on the AOA = vane!

Dave

From: Lancair Mailing List=20 [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Terrence=20 O'Neill
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 9:46 = AM
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: = stalls

Why -- WHY? - don't you guys just make yourselves a simple = AOA vane=20 that you can watch when flying at high AOAs?

Is you life worth having your planes look 'pretty'?

I have been making steep turns on Final for 40 years, with my AOA = vane.,,=20 no sweat!

Terrence

On Jan 2, 2013, at 7:11 AM, David M. Powell CRFA wrote:

I have made the decision prior to purchasing to = avoid stalls=20 altogether in my 360. After reading the stall and stall spin = accident=20 information, I just don't think it's worth the risk. On = take-off, I stay=20 in ground effect for the half second it takes to make it into the = green after=20 wheels up; on landing, I approach well above stall for my flap = configuration,=20 and let the speed bleed off only a few feet above the threshold. = During=20 normal flight, I don't even get near a typical slow flight = speed. Too=20 many variables in a home built airplane with no precise = envelope, a=20 header tank that is PROBABLY where I think it is, but could be off by = 30 or 40=20 pounds if the gauge is stuck; possible extra wait in the tail area = (water=20 retention after heavy rain).

From: Lancair Mailing List=20 [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed = Gray
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 = 9:43=20 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sub= ject: [LML] = stalls

Colyn, As I said, AVOID STEEP TURNS IN THE=20 PATTERN. If you are flying low under the hood, I hope you have a = well=20 qualified safety pilot

No virus found in = this=20 message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2013.0.2805 / = Virus=20 Database: 2637/5980 - Release Date: 12/23/12
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No virus found in this=20 message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2013.0.2805 / = Virus=20 Database: 2637/5980 - Release Date: 12/23/12
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