X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 21:46:18 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm24-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([66.94.236.143] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 5992380 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 20:10:10 -0500 Received-SPF: neutral receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.94.236.143; envelope-from=browncc1@verizon.net Received: from [66.94.237.192] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2013 01:09:37 -0000 Received: from [98.138.85.45] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2013 01:09:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp102.vzn.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2013 01:09:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 804917.49978.bm@smtp102.vzn.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Bzw1nMkVM1mwuQy_mJ6d16a_ag1e2s6W3HHQVcOUaidIMac mJJwubl9lSN0awyfd87WoFkaTL5ktCttd3kxRDbSjMPC5ZOGXbRmEPERrTVc wxMi2Cf7Gt5NzjSUAPhYijkgo4hdLX0V7HLRBKWiB_WswRLx.pCBvSWgn8jT Ivn7r2UqEgnvCg0vdjn9.1AfNuOhUdgJTH9r6aMceXIDqsiXLM9hRVDmGTlk WpczmVu6IL6wjSJLwE4WzZhjgMFoqlIqLioK5PypoJVdftz_xAKNOzZ8wt_6 jevy1gDME7GvCeF1hmPUVFHhiROvwDj6p2KpCe9cF8Z8sIG9.OCIJIyZZ4H9 aVPf9sGeoRpjgWAPQ.mFCciYdWK_EVMrD9pZOe.pVTvfEt8Ud7r00Khbmp4B _XW4oyb8gTuzAgotV_KjVdROqn1roBRD_A_6jTivRtGshO00N8BSgWBzD86G PVvwf9M19LyeYUcFQEqDKMKlX X-Yahoo-SMTP: F49l9g6swBC0R9n8vJIbm7Tf3P8Xlmia8rHIwTlO__Ml Received: from chass-imac-2.home (browncc1@72.64.105.53 with plain) by smtp102.vzn.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 03 Jan 2013 01:09:36 +0000 UTC From: Charles Brown Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-911053387 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: stalls X-Original-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 19:09:35 -0600 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: <7AFE4B7D-0584-40DB-B9B9-EE28EDD9FFEB@verizon.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) --Apple-Mail-1-911053387 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Commendable caution but I vote with the guys who say you owe it to = yourself and your passengers to demonstrate your ability to recognize = and recover from a stall. If a bad day comes along and you stall for = any reason -- usually a bunch of little reasons piled up by chance at = one moment -- you need to recover quickly and safely. And if, for some = reason, a stall is unrecoverable in your airplane -- you shouldn't be = flying it. Do a good weight-and-balance, and then take it out one day with a fairly = forward CG and give it a shot. Better still, go practice first in the = airplane of a buddy who's done it already. Charley Brown >=20 > On Jan 2, 2013, at 7:15 AM, "David M. Powell CRFA" = wrote: >=20 >> I have made the decision prior to purchasing to avoid stalls = altogether in my 360. After reading the stall and stall spin accident = information, I just don't think it's worth the risk. On take-off, I = stay in ground effect for the half second it takes to make it into the = green after wheels up; on landing, I approach well above stall for my = flap configuration, and let the speed bleed off only a few feet above = the threshold. During normal flight, I don't even get near a typical = slow flight speed. Too many variables in a home built airplane with no = precise envelope, a header tank that is PROBABLY where I think it is, = but could be off by 30 or 40 pounds if the gauge is stuck; possible = extra wait in the tail area (water retention after heavy rain). --Apple-Mail-1-911053387 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

On Jan 2, 2013, at 7:15 AM, "David M. = Powell CRFA" <superdmp@sonic.net> = wrote:

I have made the decision = prior to purchasing to avoid stalls=20 altogether in my 360. After reading the stall and stall spin = accident=20 information, I just don't think it's worth the risk. On take-off, = I stay=20 in ground effect for the half second it takes to make it into the green = after=20 wheels up; on landing, I approach well above stall for my flap = configuration,=20 and let the speed bleed off only a few feet above the threshold. = During=20 normal flight, I don't even get near a typical slow flight speed. = Too many=20 variables in a home built airplane with no precise envelope, a = header tank=20 that is PROBABLY where I think it is, but could be off by 30 or 40 = pounds if the=20 gauge is stuck; possible extra wait in the tail area (water retention = after=20 heavy = rain).

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