X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 09:45:56 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.39] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 5991246 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 09:04:30 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.206.39; envelope-from=vtailjeff@aol.com Received: from mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.6]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B68BB380000DD for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 09:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.119] (24-107-65-42.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com [24.107.65.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 352AAE0000D3; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 09:03:55 -0500 (EST) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2E6712EE-6000-46A0-AA62-DADCE963E6F5 X-Original-Message-Id: <0B8B8D16-5CDB-4E6F-88AD-581B9D0A5FF2@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) From: vtailjeff@aol.com Subject: Re: [LML] Re: 3 killed in small plane crash in Southern California X-Original-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:03:57 -0600 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:393598848:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290650e43e49387a X-AOL-IP: 24.107.65.42 --Apple-Mail-2E6712EE-6000-46A0-AA62-DADCE963E6F5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 John, That's what a spin impact looks like. If you could see the tail that is brok= en off you could get an idea of direction of the spin. Jeff Sent from my iPad On Jan 2, 2013, at 7:11 AM, "John Barrett" wrote: > Interesting crash site photos that don=E2=80=99t seem to correlate with re= ports of A/C in spin, stall or aerobatic attitudes. Looks like he pancaked i= n with a reasonable flat trajectory and photos don=E2=80=99t show evidence o= f significant pieces missing. Could he have gotten in a spin or stall and j= ust been pulling out when he impacted ground? > =20 > I know we shouldn=E2=80=99t speculate, but photos and eyewitness reports s= eem to have a disconnect. > =20 > John Barrett > =20 > From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Guy= and Jill Foreman > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 6:43 PM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Re: 3 killed in small plane crash in Southern California > =20 > IV-PT That crashed was N5M. > =20 > Guy Foreman --Apple-Mail-2E6712EE-6000-46A0-AA62-DADCE963E6F5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

John,

That's what a spin impact looks like. If you could see the tail that is= broken off you could get an idea of direction of the spin.

Jeff

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 2, 2013, at 7:11= AM, "John Barrett" <jbarrett@ca= rbinge.com> wrote:

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Interesting crash site photos that don=E2= =80=99t seem to correlate with reports of A/C in spin, stall or aerobatic at= titudes. Looks like he pancaked in with a reasonable flat trajectory a= nd photos don=E2=80=99t show evidence of significant pieces missing. C= ould he have gotten in a spin or stall and just been pulling out when he imp= acted ground?

I know we shouldn=E2=80=99t speculate, but photos and eyewitness re= ports seem to have a disconnect.

John Barrett

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From: Lancair Mai= ling List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Guy and Jill Fo= reman
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 6:43 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject:<= /b> [LML] Re: 3 killed in small plane crash in Southern California

IV-PT That crashed was N5M.

Guy Fo= reman

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