X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 09:45:55 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta31.charter.net ([216.33.127.82] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 5991312 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 09:39:18 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.33.127.82; envelope-from=troneill@charter.net Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20130102143843.JSHO24708.mta31.charter.net@imp11> for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 09:38:43 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([75.132.241.174]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id j2ei1k00J3mUFT7052eiMP; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 09:38:43 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=dIr+A5lb c=1 sm=1 a=VxlS/kh5Y2KhHY/Xui1ATg==:17 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=D18zJgzaPCgA:10 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=ctJCXeCbF-38Ko-nFrAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=WVlhENaGfowFkDLK:21 a=OVbucD0xssvsligv:21 a=6PyurL5QwLvUUn1jIP4A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=jxutYEWsXODf6dJY:21 a=VxlS/kh5Y2KhHY/Xui1ATg==:117 From: Terrence O'Neill Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-247-873201756 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: stalls X-Original-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:38:43 -0600 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) --Apple-Mail-247-873201756 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Why -- WHY? - don't you guys just make yourselves a simple AOA vane that = you can watch when flying at high AOAs? Is you life worth having your planes look 'pretty'? I have been making steep turns on Final for 40 years, with my AOA = vane.,, no sweat! Terrence On Jan 2, 2013, at 7:11 AM, David M. Powell CRFA wrote: > I have made the decision prior to purchasing to avoid stalls = altogether in my 360. After reading the stall and stall spin accident = information, I just don't think it's worth the risk. On take-off, I = stay in ground effect for the half second it takes to make it into the = green after wheels up; on landing, I approach well above stall for my = flap configuration, and let the speed bleed off only a few feet above = the threshold. During normal flight, I don't even get near a typical = slow flight speed. Too many variables in a home built airplane with no = precise envelope, a header tank that is PROBABLY where I think it is, = but could be off by 30 or 40 pounds if the gauge is stuck; possible = extra wait in the tail area (water retention after heavy rain). >=20 > From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Ed Gray > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 9:43 PM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] stalls >=20 > Colyn, As I said, AVOID STEEP TURNS IN THE PATTERN. If you are flying = low under the hood, I hope you have a well qualified safety pilot > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5980 - Release Date: = 12/23/12 > Internal Virus Database is out of date. >=20 --Apple-Mail-247-873201756 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Why -- WHY? - don't you guys just make yourselves a = simple AOA vane that you can watch when flying at high AOAs?
Is you = life worth having your planes look 'pretty'?

I = have been making steep turns on Final for 40 years, with my AOA vane.,, = no = sweat!

Terrence


On Jan 2, 2013, at 7:11 AM, David M. Powell CRFA wrote:

I have made the decision prior to purchasing = to avoid stalls altogether in my 360.  After reading the stall and = stall spin accident information, I just don't think it's worth the = risk.  On take-off, I stay in ground effect for the half second it = takes to make it into the green after wheels up; on landing, I approach = well above stall for my flap configuration, and let the speed bleed off = only a few feet above the threshold.  During normal flight, I don't = even get near a typical slow flight speed.  Too many variables in a = home built airplane with no precise envelope, a header tank that is = PROBABLY where I think it is, but could be off by 30 or 40 pounds if the = gauge is stuck; possible extra wait in the tail area (water retention = after heavy rain).

From: Lancair Mailing List = [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed = Gray
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 = 9:43 PM
To:  [LML] = stalls

No virus found in this = message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: = 2637/5980 - Release Date: 12/23/12
Internal Virus Database is out of = date.


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