Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #62379
From: John Hafen <j.hafen@comcast.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Precise Flight Speed Brakes -- and the FAA
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 15:49:55 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>

Gents:  I can only speak for the IVP, but I wouldn’t be without them, for the following reasons:

 

1)  I may need them to make up for my lack of prior planning

2)  I may need them to make up for the FAA’s lack or prior planning

3)  Gradual Engine cooling (using speed brakes rather than chopping the throttle)

4)  My Seattle Location

 

My landing patch is near sea level, inside a ring of mountains, including Mt. Rainer that 14,500 or so.  Being able to make a fairly rapid descent at a reasonable speed, especially in turbulent conditions is a must.

 

5) Running the traffic pattern and accommodating smaller slower airplanes

 

You do what you have to do, in conjunction with tower directions, to stay safe – which ranges from doing a 360 to give some room to slower traffic, to slowing rapidly/descending quickly gives you a lot of control / margin of safety that you flat would not have without speed brakes.

 

Just my 2 cents.

 

John Hafen

IVP 413AJ 400 hours

 

(un-paid endorsement:  during a descent yesterday into the Seattle soup, I experienced some relatively heavy “light” rime icing.  Pitot heat on.  Prop heat on.  Glycol sprayed on the wind screen.  RDD Thermix wing heat on – ice pealing up like potato chips and blowing off.  It really works and I was glad to have it.)

 

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Lancair
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 5:53 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Precise Flight Speed Brakes

 

Bill,

 

I like that label!  However I put the microswitch a half inch above my throttle so there is no room for that many words.  (I would not put the switch on the stick because it is just not used enough.)

 

Robert

ES-P N301ES

   

 

From: Bill Harrelson [mailto:n5zq@verizon.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 11:56 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: Re: [LML] Precise Flight Speed Brakes

 

Gordon,

 

If you add speed brakes, just be sure to label the switch correctly. It should be labeled the “oh shit, I forgot to properly plan my descent, again” switch.

 

 

Bill Harrelson

N5ZQ 320 2,050 hrs

N6ZQ  IV under construction

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hello all.


What are your thoughts on adding speed brakes to a NA ES? Although I am still flying in Phase 1, I can feel the extra difficulties in "coming down and slowing down". The combination of a sleek airframe and no gear to throw down adds noticeable speed to descents.

I did put the pockets and conduits in before closing the wings, so the install would be much easier.

I did pose this question to the ES group and got mixed reactions, although most feel they are not necessary, and several do not use them even though they are equipped with them.

Anyone have a set of brakes they want to part with if I move forward on this?

Thanks

Gordon
ES

N144GP

 

 

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