X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 10:21:43 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.5) with ESMTP id 5593727 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 17:58:31 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.206.41; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.139]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5BLvold032035 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 17:57:50 -0400 Received: from core-mtd005a.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mtd005.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.235.209]) by mtaomg-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 89827E000089 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 17:57:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <335ad.61978b1e.3d07c3de@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 17:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Fwd: EAA Experimental Aircraft Fatal Accident Dashboard X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_335ad.61978b1e.3d07c3de_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 168 X-Originating-IP: [67.175.156.123] x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:523874912:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338b4fd669de3a3f --part1_335ad.61978b1e.3d07c3de_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Jeff, =20 Thanks, that date range resulted in the right number. =20 Scott =20 PS I will wait another year for the fleet size info. My own plane doesn't= =20 get affirmed until March 2013. =20 =20 =20 In a message dated 6/11/2012 12:09:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, =20 vtailjeff@aol.com writes: Scott, The NTSB uses FY data -- 1 October to 30 Sep AvSafe=20 Jeff Edwards =20 314.308.6719 mobile 636.532.5638 office _Jeff.edwards@avsafe.com_ (mailto:Jeff.edwards@avsafe.com)=20 On Jun 11, 2012, at 8:06 AM, _Sky2high@aol.com_ (mailto:Sky2high@aol.com) = =20 wrote: Jeff, =20 Gee, I wish I understood the NTSB database......=20 (_http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/index.aspx_ (http://www.ntsb.gov/aviati= onquery/index.aspx) ) a=20 search with the parameters: 1/1/2012 to 6/9/2012, US, fatal, accidents, =20 amateur built, airplanes results in 20 with 3 Lancairs or 15% of fatal=20 accidents in the database. Uh, two were IVs, a turbo prop and a propjet (= the=20 same?), and a 235. This is like saying a Piper Malibu and an Arrow are in= the=20 same category, i. e. Piper. =20 We won't know what the fleet sizes are until the FAA gets through with the= =20 re-registration process. Those are the current unknown unknowns. Then=20 there are those hidden, unreported aircraft flying in and about the remote= =20 weeds here in the US of A. Those are the future unknown unknowns.=20 =20 Well, I wonder what the other 12 ABs were in the "dashboard" =20 ................... =20 Scott Krueger =20 =20 In a message dated 6/9/2012 1:24:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 _vtailjeff@aol.com_ (mailto:vtailjeff@aol.com) writes: FYI... Be careful out there. Lancairs have had three fatal accidents out= =20 of 32 amateur built fatals this year. Not good, 9.3 per cent of the fatals= =20 for about six percent of the fleet. This is the norm for our fleet. Jeff Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: From: "Randy Hansen" <_rhansen@eaa.org_ (mailto:rhansen@eaa.org) > Date: June 8, 2012 8:26:33 AM CDT To: "Randy Hansen" <_rhansen@eaa.org_ (mailto:rhansen@eaa.org) > Subject: FW: EAA Experimental Aircraft Fatal Accident Dashboard =20 And here is the attachment - Randy=20 =20 =20 From: Randy Hansen=20 Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 8:24 AM To: Randy Hansen Subject: EAA Experimental Aircraft Fatal Accident Dashboard Good morning everyone. Attached is the latest EAA dashboard reflecting=20 the current status of fatal accidents involving experimental aircraft in= =20 relationship to the projected/forecast fatal accident not to exceed trend = as=20 noted in FAA 2009-2013 Flight Plan. =20 The report reflects an increase of one fatal accident since the last=20 Dashboard (6/4/2012), and that accident was:=20 =C2=B7 Tuesday, 6/5/2012, experimental light-sport aircraft (conv= erted=20 =E2=80=9Cfat-ultralight=E2=80=9D), N4396H, Manchester, IA, one on board.= =20 We have expanded the distribution list to include the EAA Homebuilders=20 Council and the new Type Club Safety Coalition. =20 If you have any questions please let me know. =20 Randy Hansen, EAA # 590242=20 Government Relations Director=20 EAA - The Spirit of Aviation - (http://www.eaa.org/) _www.eaa.org_=20 (http://www.eaa.org/) =20 Phone: 920-426-6103 or 6522=20 Fax: 920-426-4885 or 6560=20 See you at EAA AirVenture Oshkosh, July 23 - 29, 2012, =20 (http://www.airventure.org/) _www.airventure.org_ (http://www.airventure.or= g/) =20 =3D =3D --part1_335ad.61978b1e.3d07c3de_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en
Jeff,
 
Thanks, that date range resulted in the right number.
 
Scott
 
PS I will wait another year for the fleet size info.  My own plan= e=20 doesn't get affirmed until March 2013.
 
 
In a message dated 6/11/2012 12:09:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 vtailjeff@aol.com writes:
=
Scott,

The NTSB uses FY data -- 1 October to 30 Sep

AvSafe 
Jeff Edwards=20
314.308.6719 mobile
636.532.5638 office
=

On Jun 11, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Sky2high@aol.com wrote:

Jeff,
 
Gee, I wish I understood the NTSB database...... (http://www.ntsb.g= ov/aviationquery/index.aspx) =20 a search with the parameters: 1/1/2012 to 6/9/2012, US, fatal, accident= s,=20 amateur built, airplanes results in 20 with 3 Lancairs or 15%= of=20 fatal accidents in the database.  Uh, two were IVs, a turbo p= rop=20 and a propjet (the same?), and a 235.  This is like saying a = Piper=20 Malibu and an Arrow are in the same category, i. e. Piper.
 
We won't know what the fleet sizes are until the FAA get= s=20 through with the re-registration process.  Those are the current= =20 unknown unknowns. Then there are those hidden, unreported air= craft=20 flying in and about the remote weeds here in the US of A.  Th= ose=20 are the future unknown unknowns. 
 
Well, I wonder what the other 12 ABs were in the "dashboard"=20 ...................
 
Scott Krueger
 
In a message dated 6/9/2012 1:24:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, vtailjeff@aol.com writes:


FYI... Be careful out there. Lancairs have had three fatal accid= ents=20  out of 32 amateur built fatals this year. Not good, 9.3 per cen= t of=20 the fatals for about  six percent of the fleet. This is the norm= for=20 our fleet.

Jeff

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Randy Hansen" <rhansen@eaa.org>
D= ate:=20 June 8, 2012 8:26:33 AM CDT
To: "Randy Hansen" <rhansen@eaa.org>
S= ubject:=20 FW: EAA Experimental Aircraft Fatal Accident=20 Dashboard

And here is the= =20 attachment - Randy

 

From:= Rand= y=20 Hansen
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 8:24 AM
To:= =20 Randy Hansen
Subject: EAA Experimental Aircraft Fatal Acc= ident=20 Dashboard

 

Good morning everyone.  Attached is the l= atest=20 EAA dashboard reflecting the current status of fatal accidents invo= lving=20 experimental aircraft in relationship to the projected/forecast fat= al=20 accident not to exceed trend as noted in FAA 2009-2013 Flight=20 Plan. 

 

The report reflects an increase of one fatal a= ccident=20 since the last Dashboard (6/4/2012), and that accident=20 was:

 

=C2=B7     = ;   =20 Tuesday, 6/5/2012, experimental light-sport=20 aircraft (converted =E2=80=9Cfat-ultralight=E2=80=9D), N4396H, Manc= hester, IA, one on=20 board.

 

We have expanded the distribution list to incl= ude the=20 EAA Homebuilders Council and the new Type Club Safety Coalition.=20  

 

If you have any questions please let me know.= =20

 

Randy Hansen, EAA # 590242

Government Relations Director

 

EAA - The Spirit of Aviation - www.eaa.org

 

Phone: 920-426-6103 or 6522

Fax: 920-426-4885 or 6560

 

See you at EAA AirVenture Oshkosh, July 23 - 2= 9,=20 2012, www.airventure.org=

 

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