X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:08:50 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.40] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.5) with ESMTP id 5592874 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:52:24 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.206.40; envelope-from=vtailjeff@aol.com Received: from mtaout-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.131]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5BEpbJQ029131 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:51:37 -0400 Received: from [10.47.87.86] (mobile-166-147-112-021.mycingular.net [166.147.112.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 12646E0000E4; Mon, 11 Jun 2012 10:51:37 -0400 (EDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8L1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-341842264 X-Original-Message-Id: <6F7CC033-464C-4A2D-9336-03320D55B138@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8L1) From: Jeff Edwards Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Fwd: EAA Experimental Aircraft Fatal Accident Dashboard X-Original-Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2012 09:51:29 -0500 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:521394880:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33834fd605f95a06 X-AOL-IP: 166.147.112.21 --Apple-Mail-6-341842264 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Scott, The NTSB uses FY data -- 1 October to 30 Sep AvSafe=20 Jeff Edwards 314.308.6719 mobile 636.532.5638 office Jeff.edwards@avsafe.com On Jun 11, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Sky2high@aol.com wrote: > Jeff, > =20 > Gee, I wish I understood the NTSB database...... (http://www.ntsb.gov/avia= tionquery/index.aspx) a search with the parameters: 1/1/2012 to 6/9/2012, U= S, fatal, accidents, amateur built, airplanes results in 20 with 3 Lancairs o= r 15% of fatal accidents in the database. Uh, two were IVs, a turbo prop an= d a propjet (the same?), and a 235. This is like saying a Piper Malibu and a= n Arrow are in the same category, i. e. Piper. > =20 > We won't know what the fleet sizes are until the FAA gets through with the= re-registration process. Those are the current unknown unknowns. Then ther= e are those hidden, unreported aircraft flying in and about the remote weeds= here in the US of A. Those are the future unknown unknowns.=20 > =20 > Well, I wonder what the other 12 ABs were in the "dashboard" .............= ...... > =20 > Scott Krueger > =20 > In a message dated 6/9/2012 1:24:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, vtailjeff@= aol.com writes: >=20 >=20 > FYI... Be careful out there. Lancairs have had three fatal accidents out o= f 32 amateur built fatals this year. Not good, 9.3 per cent of the fatals fo= r about six percent of the fleet. This is the norm for our fleet. >=20 > Jeff >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 > Begin forwarded message: >=20 >> From: "Randy Hansen" >> Date: June 8, 2012 8:26:33 AM CDT >> To: "Randy Hansen" >> Subject: FW: EAA Experimental Aircraft Fatal Accident Dashboard >>=20 >=20 >> And here is the attachment - Randy >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> From: Randy Hansen=20 >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 8:24 AM >> To: Randy Hansen >> Subject: EAA Experimental Aircraft Fatal Accident Dashboard >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Good morning everyone. Attached is the latest EAA dashboard reflecting t= he current status of fatal accidents involving experimental aircraft in rela= tionship to the projected/forecast fatal accident not to exceed trend as not= ed in FAA 2009-2013 Flight Plan.=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> The report reflects an increase of one fatal accident since the last Dash= board (6/4/2012), and that accident was: >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =C2=B7 Tuesday, 6/5/2012, experimental light-sport aircraft (conv= erted =E2=80=9Cfat-ultralight=E2=80=9D), N4396H, Manchester, IA, one on boar= d. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> We have expanded the distribution list to include the EAA Homebuilders Co= uncil and the new Type Club Safety Coalition. =20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> If you have any questions please let me know. >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Randy Hansen, EAA # 590242 >>=20 >> Government Relations Director >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> EAA - The Spirit of Aviation - www.eaa.org >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> Phone: 920-426-6103 or 6522 >>=20 >> Fax: 920-426-4885 or 6560 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> See you at EAA AirVenture Oshkosh, July 23 - 29, 2012, www.airventure.org= >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >=20 >>=20 > =3D >=20 --Apple-Mail-6-341842264 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Scott,

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On Jun 11, 2012, at 8:06 AM, Sky2high@aol.com wrote:

Jeff,
 
Gee, I wish I understood the NTSB database...... (http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/index.aspx)&= nbsp;=20 a search with the parameters: 1/1/2012 to 6/9/2012, US, fatal, accidents,=20= amateur built, airplanes results in 20 with 3 Lancairs or 15% of f= atal=20 accidents in the database.  Uh, two were IVs, a turbo prop and&nbs= p;a=20 propjet (the same?), and a 235.  This is like saying a Piper Malibu and= an=20 Arrow are in the same category, i. e. Piper.
 
We won't know what the fleet sizes are until the FAA gets thr= ough=20 with the re-registration process.  Those are the current unknown=20 unknowns. Then there are those hidden, unreported aircraft flying i= n=20 and about the remote weeds here in the US of A.  Those are the=20 future unknown unknowns. 
 
Well, I wonder what the other 12 ABs were in the "dashboard"=20 ...................
 
Scott Krueger
 
In a message dated 6/9/2012 1:24:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 vtailjeff@aol.com writes:


FYI... Be careful out there. Lancairs have had three fatal accidents=20=  out of 32 amateur built fatals this year. Not good, 9.3 per cent of t= he=20 fatals for about  six percent of the fleet. This is the norm for our=20= fleet.

Jeff

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Randy Hansen" <rhansen@= eaa.org>
Date: June=20 8, 2012 8:26:33 AM CDT
To: "Randy Hansen" <rhansen@eaa.org>
Subject:=20 FW: EAA Experimental Aircraft Fatal Accident=20 Dashboard

And here is the at= tachment -=20 Randy

 <= /span>

From: Randy Hansen=20
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 8:24 AM
To: Randy=20 Hansen
Subject: EAA Experimental Aircraft Fatal Accident=20 Dashboard

 

Good morning everyone.  Attached is the late= st EAA=20 dashboard reflecting the current status of fatal accidents involving=20 experimental aircraft in relationship to the projected/forecast fatal=20= accident not to exceed trend as noted in FAA 2009-2013 Flight Plan. = ;=20

 

The report reflects an increase of one fatal acci= dent=20 since the last Dashboard (6/4/2012), and that accident was:

 

=C2=B7        =20 Tuesday, 6/5/2012, experimental light-sport aircraf= t=20 (converted =E2=80=9Cfat-ultralight=E2=80=9D), N4396H, Manchester, IA, on= e on=20 board.

 

We have expanded the distribution list to include= the EAA=20 Homebuilders Council and the new Type Club Safety Coalition.=20  

 

If you have any questions please let me know.=20

 

Randy Hansen, EAA # 590242

Government Relations Director

 <= /span>

EAA - The Spirit of Aviation - www.= eaa.org

 

Phone: 920-426-6103 or 6522

Fax: 920-426-4885 or 6560

 <= /span>

See you at EAA AirVenture Oshkosh, July 23 - 29, 2= 012, www.airventure.org

 

=3D

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