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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: JeppTC vs. Foreflight terminal charts
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John, I should clarify. I don't carry paper approach charts as I have 
the required duplicity=C2=A0 [iPad and Ex500 w/ charts in the dash]. The 
Ex500 does not display enroute charts so I have to carry those in paper 
form.=C2=A0 That means two Leather Jepp binders. 

Having to download and print approach charts [or HI/LE ] doesn't work 
in my situation. I'm flying for a corporate department and we could be 
flying anywhere at a moments notice. I often flightplan on the road 
once I get the 'call'. Having to stop and print the required 40-50 
approach charts for a trip [or even more if I'm headed someplace like 
Vegas or So-Cal] , isn't viable for those types of flight op's.=C2=A0 For 
the private owner who wants to try and shave some expense I could 
understand, however there is always the safety concern that you won't 
have the proper paper charts when you need them, even in a private 
senario [emergencies etc]. 

I guess until you've had a controler call you up and tell you that 
'they closed the airport on you due to a plane on the runway w/ a flat 
tire' [or some similar senario] a person doesn't realize that you 
cannot have too much data on-board. To be able to have all the senarios 
covered w/ a set of printed charts is ...well to have the full 
Jepp=C2=A0setup for at least 100nm on either side of your track, plus a few=
 
extras for the 'hey lets go there' senarios too..=C2=A0

Other reasons to use Jepp would be for my 430/530 updates as well as my 
Ex500 updates.... all come from Jepp. Keep in mind, the only trips that 
I file VFR on are the 27nm 'jump across' trips between my home airport 
and our local 'customs' airport, every other trip is an IFR trip so the 
update data is kinda important. If I didn't have the Ex500 in the dash 
I would have to carry two iPads or a one iPad and a set of papercharts 
as a backup [to be 'legal' for our flight ops due to electronic 
duplication requirements]. 

I see it as=C2=A0a similar perspective to the old saying.. 'the only time 
you have too much fuel onboard is when your on fire'...=C2=A0 you can never=
 
have to much data onboard [at least within reason]. 

I guess I'm just superstitious or maybe paranoid

Jarrett Johnson
235/320 55%

On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:43:23 -0400, John Hafen wrote:
If you like paper in your cockpit, try downloading approaches etc (like 
I do) for free from AOPA. 
>
> Other than superstition and ignorance, and tradition, and old bad 
> habits, I'm not sure why anyone would have Jepp at this point. 
>
> John
>
>
> On Aug 16, 2011, at 11:57 AM, hjjohnson@sasktel.net wrote:
>
> Ya I saw that last week... an extra $140 over my ~$70 subscription for
> the Canadian stuff but it's a great addition. I have to have paper in
> my cockpit so I will be sticking w/ the Jepp charts [which also now
> have enroute for iPad, as I understand it.. I've not be able to get
> them to work however... {as of yet}] The addition of Canadian data to
> Foreflight is a great step forward for them. I also like Foreflight
> for flight planning etc.. very simple and straight forward. 
>
> J. Johnson
>
> 235/320 55%
>
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:15:59 -0400, John Hafen wrote:
> Canadian charts are now provided by Foreflight. 
> > > John Hafen
> > > > On Aug 16, 2011, at 4:47 AM, hjjohnson@sasktel.net wrote:
> > > Colyn, I to use both of these App's on my iPad. One reason that I've
> > used both was the lack of enroute charts on the part of Jepp [hence the
> > need for Foreflight] but the lack of Canadian Data on Fore prompted the
> > need for the Jepp. 
> > > I get my Jepp subscription for charts anyway so getting it
> > electonically was just a bonus. For my flight ops I need to have paper
> > charts [or a second iPad] to be legal so for me the paper is a needed
> > part of the equation. I see that Jepp is bringing out enroute charts
> > as well now [for iPad] so.. not sure if Foreflight will stick around on
> > my iPad. Most likely I'll keep both due to the flight planning ability
> > of ForeFlight... and the need for paper from Jepp. 
> > > Fwiw
> > > Jarrett Johnson
> > 235/320 55%
> > > On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:20:20 -0400, Colyn Case wrote:
> > I'm a dyed in the wool jepp guy. 
> > > I used to have my bags of charts, then jepp view and printed charts
> > > and now jeppTC. 
> > > Jepp is accurate, easy to read, up to date. 
> > > > then I got my ipad with foreflight....which I love. 
> > > I am also running jeppTC which is pretty cool until it refused to
> > > show me anything one day because my subscription wasn't up to date. 
> > > > Now I'm looking that $500/year subscription in the face and wonderi=
ng
> > > if I'm being stupid hanging onto that jepp subscription. 
> > > > Any other jepp to naco converts out there?
> > > Can anyone think of a seriously good reason to pay $500 for jepp's?
> > > > Colyn
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