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From: Matt <mattinlosangeles@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [LML] flap deflection on LN 360 - outboard gear

I learned early on with my 360 that full flaps would not allow me enough ele=
vator authority to get a nice flare on landing when light/forward on the cg.=
 Half flaps seems to work great. I don't think you will need to worry about i=
t. =20

Matt

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 14, 2011, at 6:30 AM, "Doug Baleshta" <dbaleshta@tru.ca> wrote:

> Just finalizing all the settings before the big spark next week.  It will b=
e nice after 6 years to make some smoke...
> I noticed that my flaps are moving down to around 30 degrees, 10 degrees l=
ess than the plans.  This is due mainly to the amount the control horn intru=
des into the back seat which I could change with some rasping etc.  Will 10 d=
egrees make much difference, what do you drivers use, do you ever use full f=
laps?
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> Thanks
> Doug
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>>>> <N66mg@aol.com> 08/12/11 11:48 AM >>>
> Michael Smith, where ever  you are, I like to ask you a few questions abou=
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> the L-IV...All I hear is about  the L-IVP and I decided to go the IV=20
> route...The kit that I bought is a IVP and  after all the troubles that I h=
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> heard about I'm staying with the IV...But I  would like to ask some info a=
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> it.
> Thanks in  advance,
> Michael  Giardino
> Glasair II-RG  flying
> 7sz L-IV being  painted
> _n66mg@aol.com_ (mailto:n66mg@aol.com)=20
> 310-678-4068  cell
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> In a message dated 8/11/2011 1:33:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, =20
> gt_phantom@hotmail.com writes:
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> Hi  Michael,
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> You left out a very important part of that study, leaving your  conclusion=
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> questionable.
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> Even the persons who conducted the study  suggested that at least part (or=
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> perhaps most) of the reason for the  statistics had to do with people flyi=
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> in airplanes that were not  familiar.  With steam gages, they all look=20
> pretty much the same; not so  flat panels.
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> Like others, you have therefore drawn the wrong  conclusion.  It is not th=
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> EFIS that is "more dangerous," but the pilot  who neglects to become=20
> extremely competent with their chosen panel  before flying IFR "for real."=

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> If you are going to strictly fly random  rentals, I would agree that your=20=

> best strategy is to stick to steam  gages.  If, however, 99% of your flyin=
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> knowledgeable about / comfortable with  your panel before flying into the s=
oup.
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> Fly  safe!
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> Bill
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> On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, Colyn Case wrote: =20
> michael,   got a link to that report?
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> On Aug 10, 2011, at 8:13 AM, Michael Smith wrote:
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> All these discussions about panel upgrades and so on begs the question as t=
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> which setup- a an EFIS and flat screen set up or standard spinning gyros
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> works better in terms of delivering an intact crew and passenger to the
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> terminal and a plane that is reusable for further flight. I clearly agree
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> the panels look cool, but I do pay attention to peer reviewed science.  Th=
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> Cirrus folks did a study and the results published about a year ago
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> comparing the conventional gyro panels and the EFIS in the same model of
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> plane- as close a randomized controlled trial in aviation as possible thes=
e
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> days. =20
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> The EFIS cohort bent more planes and orphaned more kids than the old schoo=
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> gyros.=20
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> So I won't be flying with an EFIS until someone can prove they're safer.
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> Michael Smith
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> LIV now over 1000TT
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